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Closed Captioning
August 29, 2021, 10:41 AM
ZSMICHAELClosed Captioning
I am dismayed that the TV networks do not spend the money to have adequate captioning. All the TCM films have it. I am in the impact zone for Ida and was watching the coverage. Closed captioning made no sense. I will admit it was funny when the anchor who was speaking Spanish was on the beach in heavy wind. The closed captioning spoke of Idaho and potatoes.
Any thoughts or insights??
August 29, 2021, 10:52 AM
RawnyYou are comparing captions between prerecorded programmings and live reporting. Films and TV shows have time to transcript dialogs for captioning, while live news rely on how fast someone can keep up, or voice to text for captioning. It's much improved now, but it obviously has its limitations.
August 29, 2021, 10:58 AM
gpbst3I ran into a lady that did closed captioning for a living. She said its exactly what a court stenographer would do.
She worked out of her house. During a live broadcast she would have to watch the broadcast and then transcribe everything onto her little machine. Did you ever notice the closed captioning is slightly delayed during a live broadcast? Well that is because she literally has a second or two to type everything.
Closed captioning for a movie would be a lot simpler as there is no time constraint for the transcription.
August 29, 2021, 02:35 PM
ZSMICHAELquote:
She worked out of her house. During a live broadcast she would have to watch the broadcast and then transcribe everything onto her little machine. Did you ever notice the closed captioning is slightly delayed during a live broadcast? Well that is because she literally has a second or two to type everything.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So I guess it comes down to money. I have read lengthy legal transcipts and they are surprisingly accurate. I would love to see this on a more regular basis.
August 29, 2021, 03:28 PM
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August 30, 2021, 07:20 AM
BassamaticShoot, if it wasn't for closed captioning I wouldn't know much about what was said. Damn good thing I have always been a pretty fast reader.
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August 30, 2021, 12:52 PM
lymanmy only complaint is the contrast or color of some of the subtitles,
was watching something the other day, and they used a lighter color for the subtitles, on a light background part of the movie,
so I could not see a part of what they were 'saying' since is blended in with the background
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August 30, 2021, 01:09 PM
P250UA5quote:
Originally posted by Bassamatic:
Shoot, if it wasn't for closed captioning I wouldn't know much about what was said. Damn good thing I have always been a pretty fast reader.
Having 3 kids, CC is what gets us through some shows after they're in bed. Our living room has 2-story ceilings & their rooms all just about face into it.
quote:
Originally posted by lyman:
my only complaint is the contrast or color of some of the subtitles,
was watching something the other day, and they used a lighter color for the subtitles, on a light background part of the movie,
so I could not see a part of what they were 'saying' since is blended in with the background
This, and poorly placed CCs. Sometimes an ad or logo isi n the same place & obscures it or makes them tough to read.
Though, we do use YouTubeTV, so we could probably adjust the CC style to avoid that. I currently have the CC background pretty light, as with F1 it would obscure some of the racing and/or telemetry graphics.
The Enemy's gate is down. August 30, 2021, 01:30 PM
TheFrontRangeI admit, we had CC turned “on” by accident and I’ve gotten hooked. Some of the BBC dramas we’ve watched feature actors with such heavy Scottish accents, I couldn’t follow them without CC haha.
It is funny to me how, even on a streamed program (i.e., NOT live) how the CC can still be off in terms of the exact line being spoken.
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August 30, 2021, 02:50 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
quote:
She worked out of her house. During a live broadcast she would have to watch the broadcast and then transcribe everything onto her little machine. Did you ever notice the closed captioning is slightly delayed during a live broadcast? Well that is because she literally has a second or two to type everything.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So I guess it comes down to money. I have read lengthy legal transcipts and they are surprisingly accurate. I would love to see this on a more regular basis.
Court reporters take it down phonetically - it is sort of a machine shorthand. (For example, the shorthand types "their," "they're," and "there" the same. You pick the right one later.) Then, later, their computer translates the shorthand to English, and the reporter re-reads it and corrects the transliteration of the shorthand. It isn't a one step process, like the close captioner does.
Now, I have read raw, translated-only court reporter's transcription. Some reporters take shorthand better than others, and their raw transcripts can vary in quality.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. August 30, 2021, 04:07 PM
P250UA5quote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
quote:
She worked out of her house. During a live broadcast she would have to watch the broadcast and then transcribe everything onto her little machine. Did you ever notice the closed captioning is slightly delayed during a live broadcast? Well that is because she literally has a second or two to type everything.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So I guess it comes down to money. I have read lengthy legal transcipts and they are surprisingly accurate. I would love to see this on a more regular basis.
Court reporters take it down phonetically - it is sort of a machine shorthand. (For example, the shorthand types "their," "they're," and "there" the same. You pick the right one later.) Then, later, their computer translates the shorthand to English, and the reporter re-reads it and corrects the transliteration of the shorthand. It isn't a one step process, like the close captioner does.
Now, I have read raw, translated-only court reporter's transcription. Some reporters take shorthand better than others, and their raw transcripts can vary in quality.
I knew they used a shorthand, but didn't know that it was a multi-step process.
Interesting factoid for a Monday.
The Enemy's gate is down. August 30, 2021, 04:49 PM
9mmepiphanyquote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
Court reporters take it down phonetically - it is sort of a machine shorthand. (For example, the shorthand types "their," "they're," and "there" the same. You pick the right one later.) Then, later, their computer translates the shorthand to English, and the reporter re-reads it and corrects the transliteration of the shorthand. It isn't a one step process, like the close captioner does.
Now, I have read raw, translated-only court reporter's transcription. Some reporters take shorthand better than others, and their raw transcripts can vary in quality.
I didn't realize how complicated and time consuming it was until I dated a Court Reporter and watched her produce a transcript from the tape from her machine. Over the years this has gotten much more sophisticated with softwear able to transcribe the raw tape and only requiring the Court Reported to read through to make "sound alike" selections.
He biggest complaint/expense was having to have her transcripts bound before submitting them to both sides in Civil cases. It had never previously occurred to me that they would try to make copies rather than pay for her work product
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August 30, 2021, 09:28 PM
Rawnyquote:
Originally posted by lyman:
my only complaint is the contrast or color of some of the subtitles...
There is a remedy if you're watching cable. The cable box also offer CC, and allows you to change the color, size, and even font.