*&^$# upgrade deleted most of my bookmark passwords.

Grrrrr....

Wait until you try to use your older generation MS Office (for Mac) programs and discover that you can't use them anymore...

Double, triple, quadruple GRRRR

Wonder if there is a way to undo the update.

Sigh....

quote:

Originally posted by imadat:

Wonder if there is a way to undo the update.

Sigh....

Yes. Reinstall from the backup copy you made before the update.

It is no secret that High Sierra was the last OS fully supporting 32 bit applications, and that Catalina would drop 32 bit support entirely. Before upgrading to Catalina, you should be aware that you will loose all of your 32 bit apps.

To see what those apps are, do the following:

-Click on the Apple icon in the top left
-Select "About this Mac"
-Click the button "System Report"
-Look in the "Software" group. Click on "Applications"
-Give a minute to think, it takes a little while.
-In the top right is a column labeled "64-bit(Intel). Click that label to sort the entries by this label.
-Scroll through looking for any applications labeled "No".

The applications labeled "No" are 32 bit, and are the ones that will not work **AT ALL** under Catalina.

As for me, I'll be sitting here on High Sierra until forced to upgrade, all while kicking and screaming.

 
I have heard of other issue with this initial release of Catalina, too. This is the first time I can recall that a Supplemental Update was needed for an initial release. Problems with Mail, losing mail, is what I've heard the most about.
 
I've installed Catalina on an external bootable drive, and also as a Fusion VM, and am playing around with it with the apps I use. I will upgrade both of those as each point release comes along. In the past few years, I have waited out the whole year on the "prior" version on the two machines I use daily (still on Mojave), until the new release reaches its final point, usually .6, and then install it, unless it simply offers nothing new I want or need.

imadat, you can install the version of macOS that came originally on your machine, using Internet Recovery mode. This is not the same as regular Recovery Mode. In effect this downgrades you away from Catalina, unless yours is a brand new Mac that came with Catalina already installed. You can never downgrade below what came on the Mac when it was new. If yours came with a version that is several versions old, you can then upgrade it to whatever level you want, after you perform the Internet Recovery.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

quote:

Originally posted by imadat:

Wonder if there is a way to undo the update.

Sigh....

Yes. Reinstall from the backup copy you made before the update.

It is no secret that High Sierra was the last OS fully supporting 32 bit applications, and that Catalina would drop 32 bit support entirely. Before upgrading to Catalina, you should be aware that you will loose all of your 32 bit apps.

To see what those apps are, do the following:

-Click on the Apple icon in the top left
-Select "About this Mac"
-Click the button "System Report"
-Look in the "Software" group. Click on "Applications"
-Give a minute to think, it takes a little while.
-In the top right is a column labeled "64-bit(Intel). Click that label to sort the entries by this label.
-Scroll through looking for any applications labeled "No".

The applications labeled "No" are 32 bit, and are the ones that will not work **AT ALL** under Catalina.

As for me, I'll be sitting here on High Sierra until forced to upgrade, all while kicking and screaming.

Pages, Numbers, and Keynote won't work? Really??!!

Holding off updating because of the no more 32 bit apps.

I have stand alone versions of Microsoft Office 2011 and Adobe Illustrator CS5 neither will work on Catalina yet I still use.

I may look into partitioning my 1TB SSD on my laptop and creating a dual boot. I still have a 2002 G4 desktop running dual boots 9.x Classic and OS 10 they runs my vinyl cutter software because it won't run on OSX or newer and it ain't worth it to me to update.

I'm not doing a subscription for either software...

(I did the 2nd drive install as a test as well)... Ran very smoothly on a 2012 Macbook Pro.

Among others, Little Snitch does not like OS Catalina at all... Latest LS release is 4.4.3.
Will miss the old 32 bit Quicktime player 7.

quote:

Originally posted by imadat:

Wait until you try to use your older generation MS Office (for Mac) programs and discover that you can't use them anymore.

quote:

I have stand alone versions of Microsoft Office 2011 and Adobe Illustrator CS5 neither will work on Catalina

Re Microsoft Office, I have not yet discovered anything that I can't do with LibreOffice, which is free. FREE! It might not satisfy everybody's needs, but it's worth a try. Did I mention that it is FREE?

I do not use Adobe Illustrator, I have not found a need for anything like that, but there are five or six free alternatives that pop up on a Google search: free alternative to adobe illustrator.

Upgrade went ok. What was itunes is getting less buggie. I can now change songs, it seems to have stopped freezing and will quit when I want it to.
My current annoyance is that it keeps dropping my bluetooth speaker. Or perhaps the neighbors have finally heard me singing in the shower.

For the age of my Mac, 2013, I am surprised that it runs at all. I guess I'll put it on my laptop, 2019, this weekend.

I'm a Mac guy since the original debuted in 1984. For most of the upgrades, I charged straight ahead, damn the torpedoes! Most of the time, upgrades were uneventful.

But I've held off on Catalina. The loss of 32-bit applications is a real, but minor inconvenience. And I don't blame Apple for this -- developers have had YEARS to update their programs to 64-bit architecture. Shame on them, not Apple.

The main reason I'm hesitant to upgrade is that Apple isn't giving me anything I want with Catalina. I don't subscribe to Apple Music or Apple TV, I don't use Photos, Sidecar is nice, but I have Duet (that I rarely use), Find My, just like the rest of the "updates" serves mostly to further embed my life into the Apple ecosphere.

I currently have five Macs. One of them will be my guinea pig; but I've taken precautionary steps.

1) I have Parallels Desktop for Mac. I've made a virtual Mac from the 10.14.6 backup partition. So I have a fully functional backup machine running in a VM, if I need 32-bit program access.
2) I purchased Carbon Copy Cloner ($39.99 for a personal/household license) and I'm using it to keep a BOOTABLE backup of my High Sierra computer. That way, if I don't like the upgrade, I can revert back using CCC.
3) I have several large hard disks that I have partitioned into bootable slices so I can keep several Carbon Copy Cloner backups for my various machines.

I haven't always been this cautious, but I have a set routine and my needs for stable and reliable computing is essential. I'm in no hurry to "upgrade" to Catalina, but when I do, I'll be comfortable doing so.

I've seen numerous articles about Mac OS 10.15 and iOS 13 being extremely buggy and hosing people's devices up right and left.

Seems Apple is in a rush more to release "updates" that aren't ready for prime time.

Apple iOS 13.1.3 Is Causing Serious New iPhone Failures

quote:

Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

quote:

Originally posted by imadat:

Wonder if there is a way to undo the update.

Sigh....

Yes. Reinstall from the backup copy you made before the update.

It is no secret that High Sierra was the last OS fully supporting 32 bit applications, and that Catalina would drop 32 bit support entirely. Before upgrading to Catalina, you should be aware that you will loose all of your 32 bit apps.

To see what those apps are, do the following:

-Click on the Apple icon in the top left
-Select "About this Mac"
-Click the button "System Report"
-Look in the "Software" group. Click on "Applications"
-Give a minute to think, it takes a little while.
-In the top right is a column labeled "64-bit(Intel). Click that label to sort the entries by this label.
-Scroll through looking for any applications labeled "No".

The applications labeled "No" are 32 bit, and are the ones that will not work **AT ALL** under Catalina.

As for me, I'll be sitting here on High Sierra until forced to upgrade, all while kicking and screaming.

I very much appreciate this thread, and this post. Only issue I have is my scanner, which doesn't have a compatible software update. That would have sucked.

quote:

Originally posted by kkina:

Pages, Numbers, and Keynote won't work? Really??!!

I suspect it's just the currently installed versions. Once upgraded, won't an updated version download??

Published on TidBITs, a Mac-focused journal in publication for over 29 years, Six Reasons Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy, written by an Apple software engineer for 18 years.

Pages still works for me. Never use numbers or keynotes.

BUT, the upgrade didn't delete my bookmarks, exactly, just removed them from "untitled Bookmarks."

I could still get them by clicking on "view bookmarks bar."

Inconvenient and I moved them, one at a time, back to where I wanted them.

So far, that's the only annoying thing I've seen.

Bob

We just sent out a company wide notice about not updating to ios 13. We have had iPads require being reset to factory settings and one that i know of required the firmware to be reloaded after being updated.
With 1,500+ iPads issued in just the Jacksonville campus it may get ugly. Makes me think that leaving the mobility program and going back to manufacturing was a good thing.

quote:

Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

quote:

Originally posted by imadat:

Wonder if there is a way to undo the update.

Sigh....

Yes. Reinstall from the backup copy you made before the update.

It is no secret that High Sierra was the last OS fully supporting 32 bit applications, and that Catalina would drop 32 bit support entirely. Before upgrading to Catalina, you should be aware that you will loose all of your 32 bit apps.

To see what those apps are, do the following:

-Click on the Apple icon in the top left
-Select "About this Mac"
-Click the button "System Report"
-Look in the "Software" group. Click on "Applications"
-Give a minute to think, it takes a little while.
-In the top right is a column labeled "64-bit(Intel). Click that label to sort the entries by this label.
-Scroll through looking for any applications labeled "No".

The applications labeled "No" are 32 bit, and are the ones that will not work **AT ALL** under Catalina.

As for me, I'll be sitting here on High Sierra until forced to upgrade, all while kicking and screaming.

Thanks for this. I'm really good with ios but very weak with iox.

I only have 2 32bit apps listed and I have no idea what they do. Inkserver and quicklookd32.

I'll have to google them later to see what they are but I don't plan on updating the OS anytime soon.

How about OS12.4.2 update for the Ipod touch. Any issues there? Apple is informing that I MUST update to that OS.

I have OS Mojave 10.14.6 on my Mini and Macbook Pro and I will not update to 10.15. I do not feel like giving up Office 2011, it works perfectly for my needs.

I upgraded. Still have my bookmarks and MS Office still works.

Well, crap glad I haven't updated.

Looks like my older Lightroom 4 will be dead and my older Office will not work.