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WHY on earth drive to the store, then walk out and drive home because the salesman liked glocks and was pushing a glock. Perhaps just man up and ask the guy to show you the gun you are interested in.


Sure you can learn a lot on the internet, but someone that works at a busy gun store sees the ones that fail and have to be sent back under warranty and the ones that won't. No amount of internet sluething will tell you how they feel and point in your hand either,

I was always taught to listen to the customer and from that determine their wants, needs and expectations from their potential purchase. This method worked for me for more than fifty years until retirement in auto and motorcycle dealership parts sales and still does in gun shops.

I perceive a salesperson that continues to try and sell me an item that I have expressed a hard objection to as someone that is not looking out for my best interests. Why should I treat a customer any different that I want to be treated?

I agree 100%. But if I specifically drove to Basspro to buy a gun they had. I wouldn't let a little annoyance from a salesman cause me to drive home empty handed. I'd simply either be more demanding and deal with that salesman or ask for a manager or different salesman and still buy what I came for. I'm not a snowflake, 5 minutes of annoyance is much easier for me to deal with than wasting another hour of my time to drive home empty handed then drive somewhere else for it, drive to a different bass pro, or come back to the same Bass pro on a different day.

First mistake was buying a gun at Bass Pro.

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First mistake was buying a gun at Bass Pro.

I had a positive experience buying a shotgun at the local (Bristol, TN) one. But I already knew what I wanted, too.

I'm here only to take notes on how to be a FUDD. I'm really getting damned tired of customers coming in and asking specifically for me just so they can get my opinion on what they should buy, or for what I think about that 'next gun' that they're currently considering. You must know that it's a REAL pain in the ass having to keep up on every frickin' firearm out there.

Being a FUDD sounds perfect. Then maybe customers will leave me alone and I might be able to get some actual WORK done. It ain't all about being the perfect smarmy, pandering salesman, y'know. I mean, how many times can anyone with 1/3rd of a soul and a brain that's at least the size of a small walnut tolerate saying, "It's just SO you..."

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
WHY on earth drive to the store, then walk out and drive home because the salesman liked glocks and was pushing a glock. Perhaps just man up and ask the guy to show you the gun you are interested in.


Sure you can learn a lot on the internet, but someone that works at a busy gun store sees the ones that fail and have to be sent back under warranty and the ones that won't. No amount of internet sluething will tell you how they feel and point in your hand either,

I was always taught to listen to the customer and from that determine their wants, needs and expectations from their potential purchase. This method worked for me for more than fifty years until retirement in auto and motorcycle dealership parts sales and still does in gun shops.

I perceive a salesperson that continues to try and sell me an item that I have expressed a hard objection to as someone that is not looking out for my best interests. Why should I treat a customer any different that I want to be treated?

I agree 100%. But if I specifically drove to Basspro to buy a gun they had. I wouldn't let a little annoyance from a salesman cause me to drive home empty handed. I'd simply either be more demanding and deal with that salesman or ask for a manager or different salesman and still buy what I came for. I'm not a snowflake, 5 minutes of annoyance is much easier for me to deal with than wasting another hour of my time to drive home empty handed then drive somewhere else for it, drive to a different bass pro, or come back to the same Bass pro on a different day.

First mistake was buying a gun at Bass Pro.

Here in South Florida, if you want any Non tactical long gun, bass pro is the only place that has any inventory to look at. I don't usually buy guns from them, but have bought a 1/2 dozen over the years. Aside from the long wait for a salesman, I've had positive experiences there.

Buy your gun wherever you want to . You don't have to justify it to anybody .

so,

as someone that has been in the gun business for a good while,


watched an employee get involved with a customer,
dude and his wife bring back a pistol that was , according to them, not working correctly

employee read the description correctly, the costumer's issues would normally be considered limp wristing or similar,

however he jumped the gun and did not ask the customer's wife (The shooter) any questions,

well, come to find out the customer's wife was a rather experienced pistol competitor, and was quite capable of diagnosing a problem, and also quite good at expressing to him how wrong he was, etc etc,

imagine Mr Tacticool Glock guy getting his ass handed to him by an Expert or higher level 3 gun type shooter,

they got taken care off, and he got ribbed for a long long time,



had another customer come in one day and was all funky, guy was acting like he was trying to show off what he knew about guns to his date,

so he was shown a few guns, and eventually wanted to look at a 1911.
he asked her what she thought, she was given the gun, and you could tell she knew exactly what she had in her hand,

so, as my employee kept chatting up the guy,
I looked at her and asked if she competed,
she quitely nodded yes
I said, Bullseye?
she smiled and said yes,

so whilst the goober of a date was being attended to by my employee, I chatted her up a bit, just being polite and enjoying the conversation,


never saw her again, but I imagine the guy she was with did not either,,

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Buy your gun wherever you want to . You don't have to justify it to anybody .

I agree. But over two and a half hours to process a 4473 was a bit over the top.

I think that they misplaced it and the excuse given by the alleged manager was a blatant lie, no way the scenario he blamed on “the NICS people” was possible and I told him that was B.S.

I immediately got my purchase completed and the “bums rush” treatment to the door.

I stopped going to Cabela's and Bass Pro for guns years ago, because so many of the salesmen behind the gun counter had relatively superficial knowledge about the handguns they were selling, and more importantly terrible firearm handling skills - muzzling me and other customers constantly.

If you're looking for a non-block that really fits your hand, I'd suggest the Heckler & Koch VP-9. The VP-9 I have that has a Trijicon RMR on it shoots very accurately and has one of the best triggers out of the box of any striker fired handgun. Check it out, and see what you think.

I guess I'm a Fudd. I'm 68 years old and work as an RO at my shotgun range from time to time. I also like revolvers, I have 8 of them. Also have two 1892's in 357 Magnum and one is a Winchester.

I also like my Semi's, Have 14 semi auto Pistols. Yeah some are 1911's but I do have some of the plastic wonder nines.

Now for the monkey wrench, I also like my AR's. Three of which have been assembled by myself using parts I personally selected. Common to all three are Tinney 3 lbs. Single Stage triggers and Gibbz Arms forearms.

Finally there is the matter of Shotguns. I shoot 4 gun Skeet and have a rather nice collection of shotguns. That's 6 O/U, 1 SxS, 2 Pumps, and One semi auto.

So, I'm old, a bit of a gun nut, and have spent many good years enjoying my collection by shooting them. Odd thing is that I have never shot a handgun that I couldn't shoot well with. Yeah, some will tend to shoot left or very rarely a bit right but a small adjustment to trigger finger placements has always allowed me to center my hits.

Point is that if you spend some time with a Fudd you know can shoot well he just might be able to teach you how to shoot a Glock well. Of course I'm not going to urge you to take up shooting Glocks but acquired skills tend to transfer into other areas of interest. I'll also note I'm not a fan of Glocks, IMO they are about as ugly as a warped 2x4 and I'm just too old to shoot an ugly gun.

^^ I didn't see anything that would label you as a Fudd .

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Take a look at the Canik Sfx Rival. Overstyled, yes; but a fantastic trigger, very comfortable and accurate, and lots of goodies in the box for optics mounting.