Except this one lied to me, directly, about what my 17 year old (at the time of signing) son would be able to do in the National Guard as it related to college.

He got his ass chewed by a Major, who he didn’t realize was involved in the entire process from the start and knew the promises made by the recruiters. And he had to admit his deception. But the damage was done and the original plan cannot work.

Looking forward to my next conversation with this cocksucker. Long term, my son will benefit. But I do not suffer lying cocksuckers.

I deal with recruiters on a pretty regular basis and the NG cats are shifty as hell across the board. It’s the way they are incentivized. College money from the NG is not nearly as easy as they make it seem.

I had to deal with the aftermath from shitty recruiters every time I picked up a new division of recruits.

The most common one was a day or 2 into the push I would get a recruit or 3 tell me it wasn’t working out and they wanted to call their recruiter to come get them.

Yep. Little johnny was waffling about getting on the bus so the recruiter would tell to give it a few days to try it out and if he didn’t like it, just give him a call and he’ll bring him home. You can’t imagine was disgruntled really looks like.

Still, that was better then the recruits that were on serious medication that would have disqualified them who’s recruiter told them to just stop taking their meds before they shipped and don’t tell anyone about it.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
I had to deal with the aftermath from shitty recruiters every time I picked up a new division of recruits.

The most common one was a day or 2 into the push I would get a recruit or 3 tell me it wasn’t working out and they wanted to call their recruiter to come get them.

Yep. Little johnny was waffling about getting on the bus so the recruiter would tell to give it a few days to try it out and if he didn’t like it, just give him a call and he’ll bring him home. You can’t imagine was disgruntled really looks like.

Still, that was better then the recruits that were on serious medication that would have disqualified them who’s recruiter told them to just stop taking their meds before they shipped and don’t tell anyone about it.

Duuuude!!!

I went to Navy Boot Camp in San Diego (for those unaware, the Marine Corps Boot Camp is just on the other side of the airport) and my Company Commander was a SEAL.

We had TWO recruits in my company with that story, both from San Diego, and with the same recruiter. When the recruits gave that story, the Company Divo (an O-3 as I recall) ordered the Recruiter to RTC. We saw the SEAL make the E-5 recruiter fall into ranks with us and smashed us - all of us - for what seemed like hours (probably 15 minutes in reality) THEN smashed the recruiter solo all the while the Divo lecturing us about what happens to those who lie to our shipmates, potential or otherwise.

It was a lesson in USN ethics that I did my best to live by for my 23 years of active duty and beyond

My "recruiter" was a draft notice received the first week of Sep 1966 telling me to report to the induction center in Knoxville TN.

My dad was an Army recruiter for almost 9 years and most of that during the Vietnam war, lying, not to my knowledge, used to sit in the office with him. When I joined, my recruiter was pretty straight up but I did correct him on several things. He asked me how the hell did I know so I told him.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
smashed us - all of us - for what seemed like hours (probably 15 minutes in reality) THEN smashed the recruiter solo a

What is "smashed"?

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
smashed us - all of us - for what seemed like hours (probably 15 minutes in reality) THEN smashed the recruiter solo a

What is "smashed"?

Using physical exercise as a punishment.

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:
What is "smashed"?

More commonly known as "smoked".

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
smashed us - all of us - for what seemed like hours (probably 15 minutes in reality) THEN smashed the recruiter solo a

What is "smashed"?

Using physical exercise as a punishment.

Or, from the other point of view, "using physical exercise to stress the importance of working together as a team and as an individual supporting the team as a whole."

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Still, that was better then the recruits that were on serious medication that would have disqualified them who’s recruiter told them to just stop taking their meds before they shipped and don’t tell anyone about it.

^^^^^^
That should NEVER happen a simple check of medical records would reveal the meds. The recruiter should be prosecuted for that stuff.

I was one of the first SINGLE soldiers assigned to USAREC. United States Army Recruiting Command. The Army wanted married men, you know, stable members of their communities.

I was a Recruiter in two different cities, New Haven Connecticut (one block from YALE) and Lancaster Pennsylvania. Not one person that entered the US Army with my name on their paperwork were ALLOWED to join if I would not serve with them in the future (and that occurred three times).My first assignment was immediately upon my return from Vietnam. The first young man I enlisted graduated from Yale Magna Cum Laude with Honors in Chemistry. He could have joined as a Specialist 5 Research Assistant. He enlisted to be a Microwave Systems Operator.

The very last youngster ended up being in my Recon Platoon in Fort Riley Kansas.

Not all Recruiters were liars and cheats.

I appreciate the good ones.

This situation is still not resolved. Long story short, he was supposed to be split option so he could start his last two years of college doing ROTC in the fall. His goal is active duty officer. When it was written on a contract at MEPS it was not split option and I was never told, and he did not understand the difference (17 At the time and walking in with the clear direction of “the plan” from the recruiter, that had been initiated by a Major, but that particular recruiter doing the final draft just wasn’t aware of the Major being involved from the start because it had been passed up the chain to him after being set up… but I talked to him on the phone and explained everything to him minus the major part, and he assured me that there will be no issues and they do it all the time). Son and I were both going on the direction from the recruiter saying that once he started in ROTC and switched to the SMP program, they would have to renegotiate no matter what. Hence the reason for the split option.

Unbeknownst to us, that is not possible now until after AIT. And we specifically picked a job without a bonus that just fit in the schedule because the recruiter told us we would be good going to college in the fall for ROTC.

He’s already accepted in college and is completing his associates this semester. Basic training will count for the first two years of army ROTC training. Everything was all set. The frustration at the moment is we still don’t know what job he’s going in for. The placeholder he picked was not anything he wanted, because the recruiter told us he would not be going because of the split option, that they changed and did not tell us about.

If he has to go, he wants combat arms. That makes him miss his first semester, no matter what. Except we’re waiting on them to tell us what is available on the calendar between June and January. Submitted the paperwork for that with three options.

The reason they’re telling us he can’t switch to split option is because his ASVAB is too low for that. He took it his freshman year of high school at school and did not do very well on it. But nobody told us that until two weeks ago. He joined the guard in June.

Just quite frustrating. One part of me wants to burn this lying cocksucker down, the other part of me does not want to cause issues for my son before he even really starts. If you could just get confirmation of a combat arms job that would fit in the schedule, that would be great. And if that fucker had started trying to help us when my son brought it up to him in December, there would’ve been plenty of time. I had to have my partner step in to get the ball rolling to try to switch, and that’s only when all this came to light. He was hellapissed when he found everything out.

We don’t even mind missing the semester of school. The educational benefits will be vastly superior. We would just like to do it for something that my son would like to learn. Right now it is heavy vehicle mechanic. He wants either infantry, forward observer, or MP.

If my son had been 18 and had done all this on his own, I would not be as upset. But he was 17 and I helped him walk through the process, and I was the one allowing my son to join based on what I was told by the lying cocksucker recruiter.

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Right now it is heavy vehicle mechanic. He wants either infantry, forward observer, or MP.

I feel your pain. When my oldest son decided to join the Army after 3 years of college we had some serious discussions as the first recruiter was feeding him some BS. After talking with my wife “we” decided that going in for a wheeled vehicle mechanic was a relatively safe option.

Fast forward to his rifle quals in basic as he was taking his 3 round practice shots the firing pin broke on his rifle. The Sargeant orders him to run back to the armory and get a new rifle. He runs there and back lays down to start his quals and qualifies Expert….

He gets shipped off to Germany (which the second recruiter suggested as his best option) and is in the motor pool with Hans and Franz playing with Humvees when a sergeant comes in and tells him that the base commander wants to see him.. As a newly minted E3 he’s scared shitless. The commander asks him if the rifle quals story is correct (how it got into his file I have no idea) and he affirms it. The commander orders the Sergeant to take him to the range to verify his abilities and to make a long story short he was transferred to a QRF team and never turned a wrench again.

He didn’t tell us the story until he got back from his first deployment in the sandbox..

chongosuerte, I'm not following the details enough, this is outside of my wheelhouse.
Has he completed the enlisted process or is it still on going? If he is partway through it, what are the ramifications of pulling the ripcord and bailing. Look into what the consequences are. Not completing ROTC might just be a "have a nice day" situation. Even threatening to walk away may get someone’s ass lit on fire.

A not-the-same example to explain my point, recruits who signed up under the delayed entry program who, decided when it came time to ship out they didn’t want to go, were told they had no choice because they had signed the papers and all sorts of bad things would happen to them if they didn’t get on the bus. The reality; absolutely nothing. They weren’t even disqualified from joining at a later date. It was all scare tactics to get them to go.

As I said, I'm not sure where he is at in the process, but take a deep dive into what ifs. And from a different source.

He fully enlisted in the guard in June.

Basic this this coming June. AIT was planned to be next summer.

Supposed to have started ROTC this fall. Would have trumped the AIT and switched his role in the guard.

New plan is basic and AIT this summer, ROTC starting in January. Same switch in his guard role.

They mentioned processing him out as an option, he doesn’t want that. He wants to be in the guard until he graduates and can hopefully go active duty as an officer.

Just wants a job that he would be interested in now that he knows he will be delaying his last 2 years of college until spring semester.

I guess I got a good one, my Army recruiter did not bullshit me and was very frank and open as to how it was going to be. I was in DEP for almost a year and he had me running and doing pushups and sit-ups to where I could easily pass the Army PT test before even shipping off to Basic.

I do remember being at MEPS in Philly and my Dad had to come along with me as I was 17 and at the end when they sit you down to pick MOS, the recruiter guy brought up the Airborne option and I was very enthusiastic about doing it but my Dad went "NOPE!" and put the kibosh on that right then and there.