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Sounds like you are a good parent, sir. You have the V-Tail stamp of approval. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Despite the fact that it sounds like she may have been in technical violation of a strict interpretation of the bare backs section, I can't freaking stand how most dress codes include a statement like: "...and anything else that disrupts the educational process" Or something like that. It can be interpreted to cover ANYTHING the bureaucrats don't approve of at the time. I've been singled out by that sort of crap when I was in high school. Regardless, their response was totally overkill and a huge waste of everyone's time. ________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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What is sad is most of this is directed towards girls because for some reason boys cannot focus if they see an inch of bare skin, cleavage or God forbid a bra strap. Yes, I get that all teenage boys are constantly horny and if this wind shifts it can case them to sport wood but this isn't the girls fault and it is not sending a good message to anyone. | |||
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I'm sorry. In breaking down what you wrote to the bare essentials, I was snarky and I should not have been. I spent seven months this year long term subbing at my kids' school for fun. I have dealt first hand with parents and read your post through that filter. Through that filter, your post shares the common themes I wrote with what I've heard all year and your response adds another one: my kid has been doing this all year and not been in trouble before. Your daughter being talked to rudely and the staff member's shirt are valid reasons to be upset. I'm not trying to be snarky, pissy or rude, but the rest sounds like someone trying to get out of a speeding ticket. I was expected to enforce the dress code at my kids' school. For example: 1. Right color and type of shirt, shorts, or pants is easy. 2. No bare backs or shirts/dresses without sleeves also easy. Nothing vague, technical or strict there. 3. Skirts and dresses no shorter than so many inches from the wearers finger tips with the wearers arms naturally at her sides or whatever the standard was. Yes, that's technical and there was absolutely no chance I was getting out a tape measure to enforce it. 4. No tight fitting pants. Vague and subjective as all get out. And again, no chance I'm walking up to a student and telling them his or her pants are too tight. Yes, the dress codes are unfairly imposed on female students because of the males students. As a contrast: My daughter wore a dress to school on a spirit day that was deemed inappropriate. I drove home and got her a sweater to wear that covered her shoulders. I spent two minutes in friendly conversation with an administrator. | |||
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Apology appreciated and accepted...sorry if I jumped down you throat | |||
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Here is my observation on Dress Codes from the past 3 years of substitute teacher in 3 high school districts: In schools that are more strict with their dress codes and enforce the codes and other rules such a discipline, the school runs well and both students and facility are more happy and the learning process goes smoother. In schools that have a dress code that no one enforces because administration does not back teachers in enforcement because they do not want to deal with the parents phone calls, there is more chaos. Teachers don't enforce the rules knowing that nothing will be done and they stop trying to be that good teacher and the students suffer in the end. When I have to turn away because I can see everything below the waist on a teen age girl wearing a dress and don't dare say anything as you will be called a sex offender by the student and parents, there is a problem here. I have been advised by both male and female teachers to look the other way and don't say anything for fear of being fired. It's not going to get better. Living the Dream | |||
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If the dress codes made sense, and most of them don't, I could see them helping, but most of the ones I've seen that friend's kids have had to follow are just silly. The hoodie ban that they had for a while was just insane. They could wear a parka with a hood, but a hoodie was some sort of "security risk", because of the hood. WTF?. After a couple of years, they got tired of parents bitching about it and they allowed hoodies without brand logos, and of course, they had to lower the hood when they came into the building, for security reasons. I'm so glad sometimes that I don't have any kids and never have had to deal with the morons running the schools. | |||
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In one high school that I work in hoodies are strictly not allowed in hallways as well as ball caps with a brim. I am told this is because the hallways have cameras and they want to make sure they can see the faces of students. They are not supposed to wear them in class but as the administration does not back up the teachers, the teachers feel it is a waste to write up a report that gets ignored. Living the Dream | |||
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So when a kid gets suspended or expelled for eating his poptart into the shape of a gun, or liking a instagram post of a gun when home and not at school, it's fine because those are the rules? People on hear bitch and moan about school rules and zero tolerance stances on anything gun related but dress codes are totally different? Give me a break. It's called common fuckin sense. These fucktards spend more time enforcing assinine rules then they do educating students. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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One of my friends has a teenager in a local high school with very small lockers. They have a rule saying no winter coats, as there is nowhere to store them. How does a bus rider stay warm waiting for the bus in the middle of winter? | |||
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That's even goofier than the OP's situation. | |||
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Threatening Kevmo's daughter with suspension for her dress code violation was and is asinine. The Student Handbook for my kids' school spells out what happens for dress code violations. Everyone gets a copy at the beginning of the year and both parents and students sign a paper saying they have read it and agree to follow it. The handbook is only 30 pages or so and doesn't have any public school ZT BS in it. For dress code violations at my kids' school, the student is asked to fix the issue, or stay in the office until someone brings appropriate clothing. The staff enforces it, the administration backs them up, and amazingly enough, there are very few problems. My daughter was sent to the office because the dress she had on for 50s day during spirit week didn't have sleeves. I went home and got a sweater for her. Was it an inconvenience?: yes. Did any of my kids violate the dress code for the rest of the year?: no. On the other hand, had my daughter not been treated respectfully or threatened with suspension, either the Head of School or the Assistant Head of School would get an earful. | |||
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Hard to believe that one needs to get so worked up over a dress code.  | |||
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No good deed goes unpunished. I think you handled it well. Life is hard enough for these kids in high school. All I can say is if I were back in school, I would get all the "ions"--suspensions, detentions, infractions. And then some. I should be tall and rich too; That ain't gonna happen either | |||
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It's not about the dress code, its about how an infraction was handled, the abusive tactics of the administration, if it happened the way it was explained, and a parent protecting a child from those administrators abusing children and the rules. Threatening expulsion or suspension for a minor dress code violation is unwarranted, a clear abuse of power, when a simple call to the parents to bring up to code clothing, or in this case a sweater would have been sufficient to remedy the situation. As to the conversation with the student a warning as to how she violated the code and to not do it again would be sufficient. | |||
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This story is making the rounds now. TL;DR version: dress code violation leads to student insubordination accusation leads to principal office visit leads to 10-day suspension. That escalated quickly. Dress code, series of events lead to honor roll student's suspension HARRISBURG, N.C. -- A senior at Hickory Ridge High School worries her college future is in jeopardy, and it's all stemming from a shirt she wore. On Wednesday, Summer wore a green shirt that rests just off the tops of her shoulders and exposes her collarbone. She says, while she was eating lunch, the principal approached her in the cafeteria, asking if she had a jacket. In the suspension notice from Hickory Ridge High School, the principal and Summer apparently had an interaction where the principal told Summer to cover up with a jacket. The report states Summer responded with, "I think my shirt is fine". The principal then told Summer that her lower back was also completely exposed, so she was still not in compliance with dress code. Summer repeats again, "My shirt is fine." Summer did not have a jacket, but a friend offered to loan her one. "I pulled it up, put the jacket over it, zipped up the jacket," Summer says. She says the principal told her she would have to go to the control room to change her clothes. "I completely understand why a dress code is put into place but I feel like after I put on that jacket it should have been subdued," Summer says. Summer says she and the principal have had a number of issues during her four years at the school. The tension has gotten so bad that her mother says she recently instructed the school administrators to call her before taking any sort disciplinary action against Summer. Summer says, when the principal told her to go to the control room, she remained seated. "They can't take me anywhere unless my mother is called," she says. "So I said 'I apologize, I can't go anywhere with you unless my mom is called." That's when the situation escalated. Summer says neither she nor the principal was able to reach her mother. The period ended and Summer accompanied dozens of her friends to the auditorium. Shortly after, she says the principal entered the room and ordered everyone to leave except for Summer. "[The SRO] was within five feet of me, he had his hand on his gun. [The principal] said 'I'm gonna give you an ultimatum. We have tried to call your mother. You either come with me to the control room to change your shirt or we will arrest you." Summer says she remained seated and proceeded to try to reach her mother again. "I stayed in my seat just like a lot of role models that I have looked up to stayed in their seats," she says. 'I mean, you have to stand up for what you believe in." Summer says the principal instructed the SRO to arrest Summer. Before he could handcuff her, her mother called back. Summer went to the control room with the school administrators where she was given a 10-day suspension and ordered not to attend any senior activities, including graduation. "It's just sad because I worked so hard for four years to walk across that stage," she says. "We have drug dealers walking across that stage, we have sex offenders walking across that stage and then the 4.4 student who showed her shoulders can't." The senior is an honor roll student with a 4.4 GPA. She has a full scholarship to a major university. The official cause for suspension according to the letter sent home was "insubordination". She says the principal is still considering expelling her. Her mother plans to appeal. A spokesperson for the school system refused to comment, citing student privacy, and provided a copy of the school's dress code. The dress code is lengthy and specifically, prohibits students from wearing off-the-shoulder shirts. Earlier this school year, 45 students at Hickory Ridge High were sent to the principal's office for wearing leggings with shirts that were deemed too short. Summer says she understands and respects the dress code, but says the fallout is a lot to shoulder. "This is my life, I'm on a pre-med track," she says. "A full ride means so much and that is on the line right now." I'd like to hear the principal's explanation as to what kind of insubordination lead up 10-day suspension. I think the girl is exaggerating about not graduating and losing scholarships. The green shirt in the photo covers her shoulders. I can see how they can easily slip down to expose the shoulders, but they can just as easily be pulled up to be within compliance. I didn't see anything in the dress code quoted about exposed collar bones being prohibited. | |||
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The kind were Summer Snowflake talks back to the principal and openly defies the principal in a crowded room full of other snowflakes. Had Summer Snowflake acted appropriately to begin with, none of this would happen. I don't care how great her grades are or how many extracurricular activities she's in, she's getting a lesson in respect she seems to desperately need. A small infraction could have been a non-issue with a simple, straight yes sir or yes ma'am. | |||
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The kind were Summer Snowflake talks back to the principal and openly defies the principal in a crowded room full of other snowflakes. Had Summer Snowflake acted appropriately to begin with, none of this would happen. I don't care how great her grades are or how many extracurricular activities she's in, she's getting a lesson in respect she seems to desperately need. A small infraction could have been a non-issue with a simple, straight yes sir or yes ma'am.[/QUOTE There are deeper things at play on this one....If she is in a situation where her mom needs to be called before she is disciplined there has got to be some kind of history or trail. | |||
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Uniforms... Problem solved. I had a uniform for grades 1-8 and a pretty strict dress code for high school (button down collared shirt, tie, sport coat, khakis or slacks, and dress shoes.) so pretty much a uniform. I hated them at the time, but looking back on it, it was great. There was no "my stuffs better and cooler than your stuff" to contend with and there was no gray area in interpreting the dress code. ____________________ I Like Guns and stuff | |||
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Sorry, I must have misread the thread title.  | |||
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