Not a big deal but I'm pissed. Bought another Borzoi and registered him with the AKC last fall, cost $45. I am going to let him compete in lure coursing so he has to be registered. Got a letter from the AKC that there is a question about his sire. Seems the breeder documented the wrong sire, just a paperwork issue. Actually the proper sire is a much better dog and won BOB and was pulled in the hound group at West Minster this year. So basically his value doubled which doesn't matter because I would never sell him anyway. Anyway in order to get his registration reinstated, so that he can compete, I have to get him DNA tested. Cost is $60 and could go much higher depending on his heirs. At least 3 of his littermates have done the DNA testing and confirm the proper sire. Times that by 10 other littermates and they have quite a racket going.

We used to think having AKC Rotties was special. We went through the AKC process on the first two only. We've had four, all special in their own right. We didn't get the pups to sell or breed, in fact we had each of them fixed. They were family members only.

So what's the purpose of having a $45 piece of paper except for bragging rights?

I despise the AKC. Their "standards" have destroyed many breeds.

To compete in lure coursing or fast cats.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
We used to think having AKC Rotties was special. We went through the AKC process on the first two only. We've had four, all special in their own right. We didn't get the pups to sell or breed, in fact we had each of them fixed. They were family members only.

So what's the purpose of having a $45 piece of paper except for bragging rights?

If the paperwork had been correct in the first place would they demand the DNA test? Since the breeder made the error ask them to pay the fee

I'd look at it as they are protecting the lineage of the breed, validating the claim and correcting an error by the breeder.

Today anyone can fake papers with Pagemaker or other software, a digital scanner or just simply lie on the forms. I'm sure it's been done in the past and thus breeders want to protect their investments and have pushed for DNA testing as proof of lineage.

Testing insures that the owner and breeder have submitted a true factual lineage to a sire, hopefully eliminating or reducing the fraud in the industry of breeding it is in fact protecting your purchase as much as making sure the claims are correct.

Nothing like dropping thousands on a puppy you think is top bred to find out it was just any two dogs humping...

Pretty sure that AKC isn't pocketing the whole $65 without cost to cover processing, testing, recording, responding, correction of forms etc.

It was a clerical error.
Both sires in question are pure bred.
The breeder discovered it and informed the AKC. She also submitted DNA from both the sires in question and 3 of the puppies she had access to.
The AKC findings were that the corrected sire was correct. They revised those 3 puppies registration.
I called the AKC and asked why my registration was not revised. Their response is that it is possible that the litter had 2 sires. What are the chances of this? BS
If that's their reasoning why don't all puppies applying for registration have to get DNA testing? There is a possibility that every litter born has multiple sires.
It's a racket, they will profit from all this testing.
Do I think the breeder did this out of the kindness of her heart? Hell no. Those 3 puppies she has left just doubled in price.
It's not a big deal, only $60.

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Originally posted by 08 Cayenne:
It was a clerical error.
Both sires in question are pure bred.
The breeder discovered it and informed the AKC. She also submitted DNA from both the sires in question and 3 of the puppies she had access to.
The AKC findings were that the corrected sire was correct. They revised those 3 puppies registration.
I called the AKC and asked why my registration was not revised. Their response is that it is possible that the litter had 2 sires. What are the chances of this? BS
If that's their reasoning why don't all puppies applying for registration have to get DNA testing? There is a possibility that every litter born has multiple sires.
It's a racket, they will profit from all this testing.
Do I think the breeder did this out of the kindness of her heart? Hell no. Those 3 puppies she has left just doubled in price.
It's not a big deal, only $60.

To me $60 isn't a big deal.
Someone trying to *scam me out of* $60 IS a big deal.

Litter with 2 sires. Have to remember that one.

Bilogically since there are multiple eggs (more than one puppy per litter), it is possible for multiple sires to fertilize eggs. Each egg can only be fertilized once. So, of there are 6 eggs and 3 have been confirmed as fertilized by the corrected sire, there is no way to guarantee same sire except DNA testing.

Breeder's error, they should offer to pay testing, swap with verified dog, or refund cost of AKC certification. Now, which one would the breeder prefer? None of the above.

Good luck. Probably easiest to spend the $60, get the test and move past it.

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Bilogically since there are multiple eggs (more than one puppy per litter), it is possible for multiple sires to fertilize eggs. Each egg can only be fertilized once. So, of there are 6 eggs and 3 have been confirmed as fertilized by the corrected sire, there is no way to guarantee same sire except DNA testing.

In his 4:29pm post OB Cayenne asked whether every puppy should be DNA tested if there can be multiple sires. Seems he has a good question.

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In his 4:29pm post OB Cayenne asked whether every puppy should be DNA tested if there can be multiple sires. Seems he has a good question.

Agreed. My post was simply to point out that it is possible for a litter to have 2 sires. It appeared some doubted the possibility.

It might add more credibility to the AKC if all those registered had DNA testing.

As with many licensing or certification programs, it's a pay to play setup. I am not saying I agree with or am against it.

I have 2 AKC champions that I finished myself. I agree, the breeder should cover the testing, since it was their error, clerical or not. When a bitch is in heat, boys will find a way unless there are strenuous measures taken. Certainly there can be more than one sire, but most bitches in heat are treated like gold and only the desired mate is allowed around her (I’m talking reputable breeders who want to further the breed, not backyard breeders that happened to get an akc registered dog.).
If he wants to show, course, etc. the dog has to be registered. Could do UKC. Depending on the bloodlines, it can make a huge difference in price.
Best of luck with coursing your dog. I’d pay he fee if the breeder didn’t, and collect the dog for future use if he turns out to be all that.

Actually he can’t course until late fall at the earliest so I have time to get it taken care of. The breeder is very reputable, premier world wide. She just made a mistake and I’m not worried about getting the money from her. The akc has an attitude, the conversation I had with them went bad very quickly.

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To compete in lure coursing or fast cats.

Lure coursing is the official field competition for the sighthound breeds (there are a dozen or so sighthound breeds). It is really fun to watch 3 very fast hounds chase a lure around a big open field. The way they move is incredible (it's called a double suspension gallop).

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In his 4:29pm post OB Cayenne asked whether every puppy should be DNA tested if there can be multiple sires. Seems he has a good question.

Agreed. My post was simply to point out that it is possible for a litter to have 2 sires. It appeared some doubted the possibility.

It might add more credibility to the AKC if all those registered had DNA testing.

As with many licensing or certification programs, it's a pay to play setup. I am not saying I agree with or am against it.

Breeders impose access control, or they don't.

'Breeding' is just random dogs humping, or its not. If some dogs in a litter require DNA tests, then it's an admission that that 'breeder' is just random dogs humping. Then *all* the dogs in that litter require DNA tests.

Rules apply to everyone, equally, or it's all just a big joke. And a scam.

Our Border Collie is not AKC registered, the BC Association discourages it. When our dog started doing competitive dock diving, at some point she needed to register with the AKC but only as a sport participant not for lineage.

At one of the facilities my wife had her try coursing, didn't take to it, at all.

We have a beautiful almost 4 year old German Shepherd. She doesn’t seem to care she’s not AKC registered.

No pups for her either, so it doesn’t matter.

 
Not lure coursing, but in the field on the hunt, an Ibizan Hound (one of the sighthound breeds) shows the full extension portion of the double suspension gait.
 

It sounds to me that your breeder should be footing the bill as it was their clerical error.

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Not lure coursing, but in the field on the hunt, an Ibizan Hound (one of the sighthound breeds) shows the full extension portion of the double suspension gait.
 

Awesome shot!