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Are there any that aren't complete garbage?

Several months back, I re-did the shelving in our pantry. Nothing fancy, just Rubbermaid double-track standards and supports. Obnoxiously, no studs available where I needed them, so I went for some Toggler brand anchors, which I had past success with. Not so much in the pantry. About half of them didn't seem to line up right when I went to actually bolt the standards down and just ended up popping off the metal toggle bits which are now sitting at the bottom of the pantry wall behind the drywall. There were enough that did hold for my satisfaction, but the OCD in me wants to eventually re-do all of them.

Current problem - I have a hall closet - same project - more anticipated weight. Thought I'd skip the Togglers this time, given my last experience, and went instead for Cobra Triple Grips.

What a freaking mistake that was. Pretty much every screw going in would start to pull the anchors out as I tightened them down with more than light pressure. Given that there are nine of these holding each standard, I'm sure the shelves could take moderate weight, but I don't want to be waiting to hear the crash or worse... get the call from Mrs.BurtonRW that she was getting something from the closet when a shelf decided to collapse on her.

So... I have 3/8" holes with these Cobra Triple Grip anchors in them. Looks like they'll be stupid easy to pull out, but what do I use instead? I need something that uses bigger than the 3/8" holes I've already drilled. Because of that, I'm also thinking I need something more like a toggle bolt. Not sure I'd even trust a molly bolt unless I could find an actual 1/2" size.

Recommend something. Preferably something I can pick up this evening at Lowe's since Mrs.BurtonRW is already thinking this has taken way too long and isn't happy with me having to re-do the standard mounting.

Thanks in advance.

-Rob




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I've had great success with the Togglers. I've found you have to start them by hand and not use your drill motor initially when getting them threaded.

I've also had great luck with these type.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/E-Z-A...ews-Included/1119021

They come in varying sizes.

Good Luck




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I have also had really good luck with the metal Toggler anchors. Even used them on a baby gate that the kids and their friends would practically swing on without pulling them out.

I think those are a bit overkill for shelf standards. I would use much smaller anchors for that. I have used these types before also with good success:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/TOGGL...ews-Included/3183269

I'd probably not try to use the large holes you already have, but would move your standards up or down slightly to allow you a new anchoring position.


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I would suggest that you might want to look at Project Farm's review of drywall anchors on youtube. It was very helpful to me.
 
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Those zip toggles are awesome. They look like a big zip tie that allows you to set the anchor toggle before inserting the screw. You pull the zip then snap it off then set the screw. They are fantastic.

Make sure you insert it so the toggle is horizontal to the load to get your max load rating.



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Those zip toggles are awesome. They look like a big zip tie that allows you to set the anchor toggle before inserting the screw. You pull the zip then snap it off then set the screw. They are fantastic.

They sure are! We have a shelf in the kitchen where I used one of those.

For most larger jobs I use these: TOGGLER SnapSkru

In fact I just used a pair on a towel ring in a bathroom. Whomever had installed it had used traditional toggles. We removed it for painting. Buh bye toggles. Screwed a pair of these in, instead. Worked like a champ.

My guess, BurtonRW, is you're drilling the pilot holes for your anchors too big. Using traditional drywall anchors I drill the holes just big enough to get just the very tip of the anchor to stay put, then I hammer 'em in. Quite forcefully.

The screw-in type anchors to which my URL points I screw in with a battery-powered screw driver or cordless drill motor.

The only screw-in anchor I've ever had fail was one where I drilled the hole too big. That was the one I replaced with one of those zip lag anchors to which sigcrazy7 referred.

IME, the manufacturers' hole size guidelines call for holes that are much too big to have anchors hold.




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Thanks for the tips/hints/suggestions.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear on a couple of things. The toggler brand anchors that gave me such a hard time in the pantry were the zip style type. I have also loved them in the past. Just wasn’t sure if they had changed at some point given my pantry experience with the bolts popping the metal toggles off before threading into them.

As for hole size, I’m the guy that when using regular anchors usually uses a drill bit one step smaller than recommended and then hand-reams the hole until I can barely get the anchor set with a hammer. Often takes destroying a couple in the process from trying to squeeze them too tight. In the case of these Cobra triple action whatevers, I actually used the bit that Cobra provided because... well... lazy, I guess. Still, I’m not sure a tighter hole would have them holding all that much better if they aren’t properly expanding behind the drywall. I did have to hammer them in.

I think I’m going to give the toggler toggles a shot and be very careful to make sure the bolts grab the toggle threads. They should have no trouble supporting themselves in the now existing 3/8” holes long enough for me to clamp the standards down to them.

Worst case scenario, I’ll just rip off all the drywall and screw in some 2x4s where I want them before I have my drywall guy come to fix the damage. Smile

-Rob




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Worst case scenario, I’ll just rip off all the drywall and screw in some 2x4s where I want them before I have my drywall guy come to fix the damage. Smile

-Rob


Why not do a ledger board type install where you screw a piece of plywood or something to the studs over the drywall, then you screw your shelf brackets to that?


 
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I've had great success with the Togglers. I've found you have to start them by hand and not use your drill motor initially when getting them threaded.

I've also had great luck with these type.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/E-Z-A...ews-Included/1119021

They come in varying sizes.

Good Luck


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There does come a point where you cut a hole, put in a piece of 1x4 pine, patch it, then use wood screws.



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At this point, I would go old school with true toggle bolt style anchors.

Find a size where the bolt will fit through the hole in your shelving bracket. You may have to drill out the metal shelving bracket hole a little larger but that should be easy.

The link is to the style of the anchor I'm talking about but you may need a different size.

These take more time to install but should hold very well.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ev...ack-803922/204273381


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Well, I went back to the tried and true toggler zip style anchors. I was very careful with them and only had a few fail to engage. Each standard has at least 6/7 rock solid attachments now. Drywall should pull off of the studs before those standards come off.

Damn. What a tedious job.

I bought the bulk pack so I have plenty to go and re-do the pantry with (eventually), assuming those holes aren’t already too big.

-Rob




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I do a lot of this type of hanging for a living, sometimes the strap toggles do a swan dive before you can thread the bolt, just kinda comes with the territory. I'll also use EZ Zips depending on the application.

I've also installed a ledger in instances where studs aren't available or the site conditions/tolerances dictate.




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Those have worked well for me as well.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Those zip toggles are awesome. They look like a big zip tie that allows you to set the anchor toggle before inserting the screw. You pull the zip then snap it off then set the screw. They are fantastic.

They sure are! We have a shelf in the kitchen where I used one of those.

For most larger jobs I use these: TOGGLER SnapSkru

In fact I just used a pair on a towel ring in a bathroom. Whomever had installed it had used traditional toggles. We removed it for painting. Buh bye toggles. Screwed a pair of these in, instead. Worked like a champ.

My guess, BurtonRW, is you're drilling the pilot holes for your anchors too big. Using traditional drywall anchors I drill the holes just big enough to get just the very tip of the anchor to stay put, then I hammer 'em in. Quite forcefully.

The screw-in type anchors to which my URL points I screw in with a battery-powered screw driver or cordless drill motor.

The only screw-in anchor I've ever had fail was one where I drilled the hole too big. That was the one I replaced with one of those zip lag anchors to which sigcrazy7 referred.

IME, the manufacturers' hole size guidelines call for holes that are much too big to have anchors hold.


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Regular old hollow wall anchors are still the best. They come in different lengths for how thick the dry wall is.
 https://www.lowes.com/pd/Blue-...th-Screws/1000103139 




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These is what I use for all my drywall hangers...

https://www.lowes.com/pd/TOGGL...ews-Included/3183269



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Buy these! It’s all I use now


I must agree.
ALL of those screw into the sheetrock anchors suck.
Turn it too far, and the sheetrock gives out.
Just wait until you try to remove one, the anchors comes out with the screw, and you have a 3/8 hole in the wall.

Those HTB Toggler Bolts are perfect for permanent drywall applications.

Get them at HD or Lowes...





 
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