People Who Bring Fussy/Disruptive Toddlers Into Church Services

July 03, 2023, 01:05 AM

trapper189

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Originally posted by soflaac:

From what I read, and is still in the original, OP objected to children being a disruptive entity in the adult church service while child care services were available in the same building.

There's no bad faith component there, clearly the congregation planned for children to be cared for while the main service is underway & one could even accept there may be a corporate expectation for such.

My responses are not about his congregation or the accommodations they have available for families. Congratulations are not a one size fits all propisition. My responses are about PASig's words and actions or lack thereof.

He called them selfish, he said they CHOSE not to avail themselves of the other facilities, he was subjected the ENTIRE time to the behavior of typical bored 2-3 year olds.

Then he goes on to ask if maybe someone should point out the accommodations his congregation has to the young couple. This makes it seem to me that there's a distinct possibility they didn't know these facilities were available.

Instead of good faith effort and actually talking to the young couple in any way, he posted it on the internet in the hacked off/pitch your bitch section of the forum.

I didn't read his post as a good faith effort looking for a solution.

I agree with you otherwise and sincerely hope the family finds their church home.

July 03, 2023, 04:42 AM

Patriot

What would Jesus do?

July 03, 2023, 06:58 AM

selogic

Who would have thought a thread about Church would end up with people being cursed at and called names ?

July 03, 2023, 07:23 AM

soflaac

quote:
Originally posted by selogic:
Who would have thought a thread about Church would end up with people being cursed at and called names ?

How droll.

July 03, 2023, 07:37 AM

Bassamatic

quote:
Originally posted by selogic:
Who would have thought a thread about Church would end up with people being cursed at and called names ?

My thoughts exactly. What started out as an interesting thread quickly turned to shit. Pretty sad.

July 03, 2023, 07:39 AM

pedropcola

I don’t find this surprising at all. People who hate religion really hate religion. Look at Bill Maher, he can’t just be an atheist he has to openly ridicule people who believe in any religion.

Take this thread. It went from 0 to 100 with no reason whatsoever. Somebody quoted a Bible verse. It was quite correctly and calmly pointed out the basis of the verse and how it was being used out out context. What happened next? That was completely ignored and the pile on continued.

There is a reason you avoid politics and religion as small talk. This was as predictable as love bugs in the springtime. I am just surprised nobody brought in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That is the usual catchall derision.

July 03, 2023, 08:24 AM

dan03833

Our local Catholic Church has a crying room. Separate room with giant glass window. Service is over a speaker, babies not heard in main seating area.

July 03, 2023, 08:44 AM

Gustofer

quote:
Originally posted by Patriot:
What would Jesus do?

Fairly certain he would smite the parents for being selfish and inconsiderate of others who are trying to worship Him while listening to their undisciplined sex trophies scream, cry, or otherwise carry on during what should be a solemn occasion.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for years and one of the reasons that I no longer attend Mass at my local parish. There was a time when that behavior wasn't tolerated, and it was a much better time.

Children should be seen and not heard.

July 03, 2023, 08:58 AM

Mars_Attacks

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

You and pedro can suck a fucking dick...you shoulda been a grown ass man and said something to the parents, but you didnt cause you a fucking pussy.

I'll give you my address and you can come tell me about my kids...fucking hypocrite ass bitch.

Dont pull that 14 year old online shit now that your been called out for being a bitch..."why you mad bro?"...nah not here.

Have you been drinking?

July 03, 2023, 09:09 AM

Pyker

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Somebody quoted a Bible verse. It was quite correctly and calmly pointed out the basis of the verse and how it was being used out out context

In their opinion since, of course, it fitted their view of how the problem should be addressed. 'Oh, it actually doesn't mean that, it means this. See, we're still following the teaching haha!'

Exactly as I expected.

July 03, 2023, 09:25 AM

BurtonRW

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Originally posted by Pyker:
quote:
Somebody quoted a Bible verse. It was quite correctly and calmly pointed out the basis of the verse and how it was being used out out context

In their opinion since, of course, it fitted their view of how the problem should be addressed. 'Oh, it actually doesn't mean that, it means this. See, we're still following the teaching haha!'

Exactly as I expected.

I don't think the ire is directed at you.

-Rob

July 03, 2023, 09:44 AM

Rey HRH

I've looked askance at the OP's gripes before but this one, I can get on board.

Yesterday, a mother brings her baby less than six months old and sits at the front of the church. She's got two other kids in Sunday School. Baby shrieks out several times during the service and disrupts my nap. Seriously. It's not cute.

"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.

July 03, 2023, 09:44 AM

Pyker

Oh no, I don't feel that it is, the logical fallacy was though

July 03, 2023, 10:07 AM

V-Tail

quote:
Originally posted by Rey HRH:

Baby shrieks out several times during the service and disrupts my nap.

July 03, 2023, 10:23 AM

Edmond

Otto is that angry military guy with only 12 more years to retirement. Wonder if he acts like this in the Army or whatever he's in.

"Hey, Colonel, you're a punk ass bitch!"

July 03, 2023, 10:45 AM

PASig

quote:
Originally posted by Edmond:
Otto is that angry military guy with only 12 more years to retirement. Wonder if he acts like this in the Army or whatever he's in.

"Hey, Colonel, you're a punk ass bitch!"

His reaction was beyond bizarre.

It’s like I punched one of his kids or something

And the guy ADMITTED he’s not a churchgoer, so he’s not even seeing what I’m seeing and the others who have experienced this are seeing.

I stated in my original OP “it’s tough”. Meaning we are meant to be open and loving to people and encourage people to want to come back to our church. Maybe they were brand new and did not realize there were these services available or were in too much of a rush to get into the service.

July 03, 2023, 11:19 AM

Edmond

quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
His reaction was beyond bizarre.

It’s like I punched one of his kids or something

And the guy ADMITTED he’s not a churchgoer, so he’s not even seeing what I’m seeing and the others who have experienced this are seeing.

I stated in my original OP “it’s tough”. Meaning we are meant to be open and loving to people and encourage people to want to come back to our church. Maybe they were brand new and did not realize there were these services available or were in too much of a rush to get into the service.

I'm not religious myself but I don't go expressing my beliefs or disbeliefs and I'm not going to get angry about people expressing theirs. And definitely not get angry enough to start calling people names and want to give out addresses.

It's a discussion forum, people are free to disagree.

July 03, 2023, 11:52 AM

pedropcola

The funny thing pyker though is that he didn't state an "opinion". He pointed out the meaning of the original translations which don't exactly mean the same thing in the kings English which is why you don't go around saying "suffer little children to come to me". If you absolutely refuse to acknowledge that in English that sentence doesn't quite translate perfectly and accept that the prior languages it was translated from are pertinent, then I don't know what to tell you. You might as well start quoting the Old Testament as you take an eye for an eye and claim you are doing the Lord's work.

Many incorrect actions have been done throughout history by people claiming to be following the Bible. Do your own research and come back and tell us what the consensus of people who study this think the verse means. What you won't come back and tell us is that the verse means to let children make God's message unheard because of all the noise.

Instead of just saying "well that is your opinion" go do your own research and find out for yourself. Most Bibles literally include these notes in the margins with references because the Bible doesn't translate perfectly to English without some background info.

July 03, 2023, 12:17 PM

parabellum

OttoSig, you are way out of line. You need to find a better way to express yourself than the aggressive rudeness you've posted in this thread. You've earned yourself a seven day suspension, and if a new or newer member behaved this way, I'd ban them on the spot. Cool it.

July 03, 2023, 12:44 PM

Pyker

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He pointed out the meaning of the original translations which don't exactly mean the same thing in the kings English which is why you don't go around saying "suffer little children to come to me".

As far as I am concerned, the phrase has always been understood in plain English in all the religious instruction I had in my youth, and up to the present day to mean: 'allow (do not exclude) the young children to come (and/or to) worship me.'

Now, if people want to twist themselves into 'verbal pretzels' in order to justify their belief that it permits them to exclude children from their services by segregating them into some other 'equal, but separate' ceremonies, that's on them. Not up to me to validate it for them.

It is quite clear to me what Jesus intended when he (supposedly) said it and what Matthew meant when he (allegedly) wrote it down. Either the Bible is all correct, or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose the parts you're going to follow and forget the parts that don't suit you.

if you can't see the hypocrisy in that position, then in turn, I don't know what to tell you.