Hello, fellow fat piece of shit.

Yeah, you, you fat fuck. You know who you are, which is a disgusting fatbody. Sgt. Hartman is digging donuts out of your footlocker.

Sig. "To hell and back."

Well, I've been to fat and back a few times, and all this "body positivity" shit can fuck right off. My primary issue with it is simple, but I will go well beyond. You might not agree with me, and it's OK to be wrong.

My chief issue with this foolishness, is that it isn't for men. Lizzo is a human turd emoji, and she is stunning and brave. If she were a man, and worse a white straight man, she would be invisible. Or, shamed until she was.

Weight gain can come from all kinds of places. Life is like that. Your activity level, mental state, and all kinds of factors can influence what you weigh. For most people, it's as simple as calories in and calories out. Simple right? No, it isn't. But also, few people have an actual medical condition that makes them fat. Just like the people who are actually allergic to gluten are not as numerous as the white women would have you believe.

If you remember from before I took my sabbatical, I have talked about weight loss and fitness. You can fix it, and I did. Then I took a less physically demanding job right before a "global pandemic" and a bunch of other shit happened to. So I'm fat again, and I will and can fix it.

Making the effort to not be fat, isn't fun. I dislike calling it a "struggle," but the reality is that you are fighting all kinds of things, from your own biology to the delicious food always available. I put on 60lbs, and I've been treading water, neither gaining or losing for a while now. Without going into a bunch of health shit, life is complicated but your fat ass only fucks your health. If you want to make it to a ripe old age, lose the weight dummy.

Because it's 2023, let us review:

Beauty is any size, if you're a woman
If you're fat, a man, and worse white and straight, fuck you.
If you don't like fat girls, you're a bigot.
If you don't like girls who have penises, you're also a bigot.
Nobody wants you anyway, fatty.
If you go to the gym to shed the pounds, you're fat-phobic and not an ally
If you seek self improvement, you're weak.
Masculinity is toxic.
You're weak for wanting to be a man.
You need to be sensitive and nonviolent, but then no one will fuck you.

I could go deeper on that list, but it could be a separate thread. The most concise summary, is both a good and bad thing:

No one cares.

Nobody cares. And they'll shit on you at every turn, but you know this. They say all kinds of shit, but they need the police, firemen, construction workers, trash collectors, and so on and so forth. Mike Rowe is one of my personal heroes. After him are Petterson and some Rogan guy. Jocko... more. Lots of good stuff out there.

The limp wrists, whatever their gender, want you to fail. You fail by not meeting your goals, or worse by "joining" them.

This country has a whole bunch of simultaneous crisis. A labor shortage in way, way too many trades. The young kids ain't partying and fucking like previous generations, and more.

America is a wonderful place. It's so safe and prosperous that you can be an absolute cunt and survive. The Pandemic didn't deliver, not enough people died. If that were the case, "society" would be back to valuing swinging dicks.

What was I talking about? Oh right. Hey, lose weight dummy, or it will kill you. Sooner. The Xers want you gone. Don't give them the satisfaction.

If you stand up straight in the shower, look down and can't see your junk, you have work to do.

Great rant as always!

"Body positivity" - sounds good on the surface. it seems to say be comfortable in your own skin. Fine. But that's not what it means. It means that accommodations have to be made throughout all of society to cater to your fat ass. And don't you dare say anything about making those accommodations it either.

Oh, let me take this moment to shamelessly say that I have lost almost 80 lbs in the last 6 months. Just had to buy more dress pants yesterday that are another size smaller that the smaller ones I was wearing. It feels good, and my health is greatly improved as well. While I felt like a fat slob 6 months ago (because I was), I'm feeling pretty "positive" now.

I weigh myself every morning on my SECA 876 scale. If I’m over my target weight I eat light until I’m below. It’s better to catch it early.

My coworker is about 5'7" & was nearly 300lbs back in 2014
Sleep apnea, falling asleep at red lights, borderline diabetic.

Turned it around 180*, starting working out 5x/week & drastic dietary changes.

This Monday, he's 205, lightest he'd been since high school (around 1998).
He's down about 35-40;bs since January this year, working off the Thanksgiving/Christmas indulgences.

I'm the opposite 6'0" 165lbs. 10 years ago, I was maybe 140lbs.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:
If you want to make it to a ripe old age, lose the weight dummy.
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Hey, lose weight dummy, or it will kill you.

Yes, it will.

I've told the story before: One of the things that finally persuaded me off cigarettes was seeing a guy a few years my senior at the gym, chained to an oxygen tank. Had to give him props for being there, but, I didn't want to ever be there, that way, myself.

In a like manner: One of the things that's kept me in the gym and usually on a decent diet has been the electric scooter people in Walmart.

I simply cannot imagine how miserable it must be living like that--if you can call that "living."

The Wu Flu knocked me off my gym routine. My nutrition tends to follow my gym routine. Fall off my gym routine: Fall off good nutrition. I was back up to 36 in. waist jeans becoming snug again.

I had become "skinny fat."

Got back to it in November. Cut out snacking nearly entirely. Almost no sugary treats or other highly-refined, simple carbs. Very little alcohol. Cut-back meal portion sizes. Strength training every other day--mostly whole-body workouts that include compound lifts.

Down 11 pounds net weight and 6% body fat. The number-crunching suggests I dumped 14 lbs. of body fat. I'm now into 34 in. waist jeans more-or-less comfortably. The moobs are essentially gone. My back, shoulders, arms, and calves are visibly bigger. The hollows in my upper-chest are filling in.

I no longer look skinny fat.

And "body positivity?" That's just a rationalization for being in poor physical condition. Justify it to yourself however you want, but, it doesn't change the reality.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
My coworker is about 5'7" & was nearly 300lbs back in 2014
Sleep apnea, falling asleep at red lights, borderline diabetic.

Turned it around 180*, starting working out 5x/week & drastic dietary changes.

This Monday, he's 205, lightest he'd been since high school (around 1998).

I'm curious: Did the sleep apnea go away?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
My coworker is about 5'7" & was nearly 300lbs back in 2014
Sleep apnea, falling asleep at red lights, borderline diabetic.

Turned it around 180*, starting working out 5x/week & drastic dietary changes.

This Monday, he's 205, lightest he'd been since high school (around 1998).

I'm curious: Did the sleep apnea go away?

No more cpap & definitely no more red light dozing.
Not sure if it was Dr diagnosed apnea, or self diagnosed.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
No more cpap & definitely no more red light dozing.

I am not surprised. Everything I've read suggests to me that most sleep apnea can be mitigated, if not entirely eliminated, by diet and exercise.

Essentially: Losing the excess body fat and improving overall fitness.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Not sure if it was Dr diagnosed apnea, or self diagnosed.

Before I started working out in 2005 I was ±205 lbs. (down from ±230 lbs. a few years earlier) and on the verge of having to go up to 38 in. waist pants.

I wasn't diagnosed with sleep apnea, but, I routinely snored--loudly, and my wife observed I'd regularly stop breathing entirely at night.

I only very rarely snore anymore and my wife hasn't once observed my breathing stopping again since shortly after I began getting in shape in 2005.

To each their own, but, to me: Forgoing sugary crap, empty calories in the form of chips and stuff, and regular alcohol consumption, moderating my meal portions, and spending a few hours each week working out is a small price to pay for not having to wear a mask over my face while sleeping, having to haul that crap around with me when vacationing, and the attendant cleaning hassles.

Never mind the fact that addressing the symptoms of poor diet and health with things like CPAP machines, BP and cholesterol meds, pain meds, testosterone replacement therapy, etc. won't mitigate the life-shortening effects of poor health decisions and may, in fact, exacerbate them.

TANSTAAFL

That's what we've been missing, epic rant! Thanks Arc.
Rod

Lizzo - the new fat chick normal

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If you stand up straight in the shower, look down and can't see your junk, you have work to do.

I've lost 40 pounds this year, got 100 to go to get where I want, 100 pounds over is a lot...

I can still see my junk even though being fat, does that mean am I ok body positivity wise?

Big Gulps were the culprite to obesity so places liek NY outlawed them. Michelle Obama promoted Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act and supplied schools with "healthy" food for lunches. What a joke.

Now, fat shaming and promoting a healthy lifestyle is wrong or you're labeled a bigot. It never ends.
Lizzo is trash and a terrible role model. I can't look away fast enough if shes on.

I'd say that blaming big gulps or other available food is a cop-out, and banning food items, or most anything is ultimately stupid. Bans don't work, with few exceptions.

I feel like things are upside down like never before, and the people really screwed are young children. Especially if their parents are leftists. Kids don't need to be taught to be open, they don't need to be told to pick a gender. Children need role models. Mom and dad are there to model how to behave in the world.

All the people who want to be fat, or wish to make excuses for themselves, I actually have no problem with that. You do you. But don't you dare tell me it's healthy, beautiful, and not a dangerous trend.

For the average person, loving your body and who you are is the right message. We can't all be super models, or Adonis in the gym.

As I said in my original post, and I can only speak for myself, being fat comes with some self-loathing. There is a built in reason for that, but it can be difficult to escape the gravity of that orbit and get the motivation to fix the problem.

The human body evolved over many hundreds of thousands of years, and for most of it there wasn't organized farming or livestock, much less supermarkets and restaurants. We simply don't need all the food that is readily available. 'Merica.

Eating food gives you pleasure, because we're built that way. It's very easy to sit there and shovel shit into your cake hole. The reality is that the dopamine is short lived, and all that food is expensive, and you begin to circle the drain. Enter these Xir fucks with their message of "fat acceptance" and all this other nonsense.

As I said, some people actually have a medical problem. Everyone else needs to acknowledge they're doing it to themselves.

The idea that I'm some sort of bigot because I won't fuck a fatty or a transwoman, is codified mental illness.

There was an article, probably more than one, called "Death of the tomboy." There is an attack on normal boys and girls, and men and woman, and it has been going on for far too long.

Hey, you want a septum piercing, purple hair, ridiculous pronouns etc.? Fine. But keep that shit in your close circle of friends and leave me and mine alone. I'm actually quite happy to coexist with all kinds of weirdos. But when you get greedy and start demanding shit... we have a problem.

All this "Patriarchy" shit is an absolute crock. Do some men have power? Absolutely. Do most men? No, not really. Most men are invisible, but do essential shit you don't want to do. Not only do you not want to, you can't match the strength and drive anyway. Men and Women are not the same, trying to make that happen, or reducing standards, is a huge mistake.

Have you seen the "tradwife" trend? Hey, you want to be a stay at home wife and mom? Fucking amazing. Remember when "being a mother is the hardest job in the world?" The left shits on that now.

Because the world is increasingly stupid, we also have "mens rights" retards, and "incels." Fuck both of these groups. While a lot of what I've just said in this thread might seem like I support "mens rights," I just want people to cut the shit. Incels? Just like fat people need to own what they are doing to themselves, so do incels. Women owe you nothing, you suck, fix your shit. I'm thrilled I don't know any incels, that would be a shortlived acquaintance.

Where we are in society today, has a whole lot to do with the amazing safety and prosperity this nation has achieved. All these people who hate America and its form of government? When real adversity comes, what will they do? They will seek the help of Men.

The gun debate is a fantastic example, if you have bothered talking to an anti-gun person they sure have lots to say. At some point though, they all go "But when the shit hits the fan I'm coming to your house." Once upon a time, I'd let that slide. Not anymore. If you told me for years that no one should own a gun, and some cataclysm befalls us, and you knock on my door.... I'll think hard about shooting you through it.

The town I work for is down 80 cops. Construction companies, restaurants, all kinds of businesses are scrambling for good help. The world is available to anyone motivated to go get it. Get off your ass, you fat fuck. I'm glad everyone from World War II is pretty much dead now, so they can't see what has happened to this nation. Hell, if you're a veteran, sorry bro. Loads of people hate you, by the way, because they are spoiled cunts. Words are now violence, violence in the form of property destruction is now speech.

I don't think we're quite at the fall of Rome or other societal collapse, but the veil of civility is thin. No one is scared of fire, guys.

Remember, it's better to be pissed off than pissed on. Unless that's your thing.

Back in May 2015 I weighed in at 203 lbs. and my BMI was 29.1 I was sitting on the couch flipping channels looking for something to watch on the TV. A pretty common activity for me at that time. As I am doing this it came to me that if I continued the Couch Potato life I would not live another 5 years. So I got up off that couch and put the dog on his leash, something a bit foreign to him. Took him out for a 1 mile walk and barely made it home without having to stop and rest. Summer of 2015 I worked up to 8 miles per day walked off 50 lbs and dropped my weight to 153 lbs. Yesterday I was scheduled for a Heart Cathetarization so my cardiologist could take a look around and perhaps determine what was causing my recent issues with AFIB. Weighed myself on my electronic scale and my weight was 152.9 lbs.

So I've maintained by weight since 2015 without any variation greater than 5 lbs. It really isn't that difficult but you will have to commit to changing your Lifestyle. What this means you must commit to regular exercise, eating Healthy, and not giving in to bad habits in the diet.

One example of a very bad food habit is Pizza. Look up at the Nutrition data for store bought Pizza and you are looking at a Fat Bomb loaded with very unhealthy levels of "nutrients". They are loaded with Saturated Fat, the sodium levels are off the charts and carbs are very high.

Take the Little Caesars Ultimate Supreme, something many of us have had for dinner. Total calories are 2510 with 1000 of those calories from Fat. 48 grams of saturated Fat, about 4 TIMES what is considered "healthy" for a full day. Five THOUSAND Seven HUNDRED and 50 milligrams of Sodium. Note, minimum sodium requirement for an adult male can range from 200-400mg depending on sources, any more than that is a contributor to high blood pressure. Then there the 259 grams of Carbohydrates, the "hidden" Heart Killer. BTW, I suspect that a large component of that high carbohydrate count is White Sugar, perhaps as much as 3/4 cup and some recent studies are indicating that Sugar may be more damaging to the Heart than Saturated Fat. The end result is that someone with advanced heart disease can actually be killed by sitting down and having one of these pizza's for dinner.

Point is that you will want to read the nutrition labels on any food or snack you purchase. BTW, here in Michigan we can get NO SALT potato chips from Better Made and once you get used to salt free chips you'll find they taste better that salted chips.

You will also have stop eating out. It doesn't matter if it's a Bar, Restaurant, or Fast Food, they are all loaded with Salt, sugar, and Saturated Fat.

Note, Healthy Choice frozen entree's are actually healthy with low Salt, Sugar, and Fat levels while being rather tasty.

Finally learn to do a lot of shopping in the Produce Isles. Produce is a great source of good nutrient food that tastes good and are filling. Start picking out items you've never had before and you'll soon have some new favorites on your shopping list. BTW if you use a bit of genuine Parmesan cheese Brussels Sprouts can be quite tasty if overcooked slightly.

I actually love the process. I eat clean and lift every night. It’s a beautiful thing going to the gym and being in better shape than 99% in there and they are all half your age. It’s just a minefield full of gen z dip shits on their phones. Those of us throwing weight around, sweating, etc, it’s a clusterfuck to get your shit done amongst this generation of dip shits. A Dr. I’m friends with, competes, big, super lean. He asked a guy last night how many sets he had left on a bench because he was camping, playing on his phone. Dude went nuts “I can stay on this as long as I want” and started cussing at him. Whole generation of these kids have never been told no, or to respect others. Narcissism.

Push through it. The thing I always tell myself is hey, you want to be an overweight fuck with bitch tits? Get old (I turn 50 this year), and be on this and that medication, regular doc visits. No more putting on the armored suit and riding motorcycles. Stuck in a lazy boy watching the TV. Fuck all that. I’m going out with my Sidi boots on.

Arc post up and often. We will keep you motivated. Weight lifting, cardio, eat clean. I eat out once a week, pickup food, and that’s it. Rest is cooked at home in my kitchen. I save a whole fuck ton of $ per month doing this. Food has been marketed at you, super, since you were a tot. First sugary cereal, then happy meals, fast food, restaurants. You have to reprogram for all that bullshit.

The only good thing about having Type 1 diabetes is that it is a hell of a motivator to not get fat. I like having toes and both of my eyes working.

I wonder if feeling that way could be lumped under “body positivity”…

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Originally posted by squad13:
Now, fat shaming and promoting a healthy lifestyle is wrong or you're labeled a bigot.

I don't agree with "fat shaming." People ought to be free to make their own choices. But, don't try to tell me my pursuit of a healthier lifestyle is bigotry. Don't even try to convince me "fat is beautiful," because that ain't ever gonna fly with me.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:
All the people who want to be fat, or wish to make excuses for themselves, I actually have no problem with that. You do you. But don't you dare tell me it's healthy, beautiful, and not a dangerous trend.

Yup. I really don't give a damn what you do with your body, but, don't even try to piss on me and tell me it's raining.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:
The idea that I'm some sort of bigot because I won't fuck a fatty or a transwoman, is codified mental illness.

Preach it, brother!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I don't agree with "fat shaming."
People ought to be free to make their own choices.

If shaming helps you make that healthy choice ~ then how is that a bad thing?

Fucking great rant man!
I can't find any fault in your logic.

And fuck this whole "shaming" thing. No such thing. Just someone else's opinion and you can choose to ignore it. Feeling shame from someone's thoughts are like choosing to step in dog shit rather than walking around it.

Also consider that the obese raise insurance rates for everyone else.

Arc, excellent rants. Welcome back, btw.

I've had a few weight swings in the past three years. Years of eating like I was still active-- when I actually transitioned to a largely sedentary job and dropped out from the cycling, walking, hiking I'd been doing most of my life--caught up with me in 2016. At 6'1" and 265lbs, enough was enough. I cut out virtually all the crap I was ingesting, got back into a 4-5 day a week activity routine, and dropped sixty pounds in about seven months. It's been up and down a few times since... root cause? Me. All f'ing me. It's 100% in my control. There are individual situations that will differ, but those people are in the minority.

America is obese as hell. It takes roughly one hour in pretty much any other country to reach that conclusion, even if you never review the actual numbers. We're fat, victims of our own success at feeding millions, and a drift away from the physical activities that used to be a built-in part of being alive. Don't want to be fat? It's going to take affirmative lifestyle decisions, because just "going with flow" will doom you.