I was almost in an accident this morning. Not terribly close, but closer than it should have been. When I thought about it, the last two or three close calls I've had have all been the same thing (at the same stop sign by my house).
Four way stop sign at the end of my street, where it intersects with one of the main roads through town. A van to my left stops at the stop sign. I stop at my stop sign. Van to my left goes, I start to go. Car behind the van almost plows into me. DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW A F@#KING STOP SIGN WORKS?
This is getting more and more common around me, following the car ahead of them through the stop sign. I assume these are the people who usually run the stop sign and only stopped because they were forced to. Some people need to be pulled out of their car and beaten.
You would enjoy it here when the power is out for a couple of weeks. All stoplights are to be treated as four way stops. It is really fun when two four lane highways intersect. At those times you wish you drove a large dump truck.
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Based on my observations, the majority of drivers don't have a damn clue what to do at 4-way stops.
I've actually been contemplating something similar recently.
4 way stop, only 2 cars at the intersection, both in the same lane in the same direction of travel.
Car #1 pulls over the stop 'line' and car #2 stops at the stop sign.
Obviously both can't depart at the same time, but has car #2 fulfilled their duty to stop & only needs to pause to allow right of way to the other 3 directions?
Or would you be required some forward motion & a 2nd stop to fulfill your stop duty?
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Around these parts, the person on the right has the right of way. You should have gone vs. the van.
Anywho...stop signs are like yield signs locally. Stop if you need to (if another vehicle or pedestrian is present) otherwise, slow down, take a look, take another look, and proceed.
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The legal rule of right of way.... You shall yield to the vehicle on your right. At least in my State.
This flows in a circular motion, and you should not go until the circle has come back to you. Don't go until it is your turn.
Impatience, entitlement. It’s out of hand. People forgot how to drive, act, etc, during and now after the pandemic. I’ve never seen this level of poor driving etiquette in my lifetime. Every time I drive now, I have to react to something to avoid accident.
OK, so we got a trooper pulls someone over, we got a shooting, these folks drive by, there's a high-speed pursuit, ends here and then this execution-type deal.
One of the intersections on my route has a light that goes from red to flashing red before turning off completely. It only operates whenever a pedestrian is trying to cross the road. I never attempt to cross this street while the light is flashing red because many times drivers don't stop for the flashing red.
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It's gotten so bad around here that Stop signs are barely a suggestion to drivers.
I can't tell you how many people I've seen not even slow down for them.
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Some state's laws allow for more than 1 car to proceed ...
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Well, we "gave them democracy"... not unlike giving a monkey a loaded gun.
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I always thought person to the right has the right of way when both vehicles stop at the same time. I thought the overriding rule was the vehicle that stops first, goes first. Naturally, this is an issue when the vehicle on the right doesn’t actually stop but rather just keeps rolling.
Another issue, that can make it appear that two cars are going at the same time is when the first vehicle stops in the intersection while the second vehicle behind the first stops properly before the white line. Just because the driver of the first vehicle did it wrong, doesn’t mean the driver of the second vehicle gives up his place in the order of things.
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But if the van stopped far enough in the intersection that the car was at the stop sign line, all bets are off.
In this stupid city at least....
Oh, I see trapper said the same. Well, that's just nuts if anyone actually believes that's a legit ordering.
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And, then there's the famous "California Stop".
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I'm thinking of a particular intersection I use 6 days a week 2 to 3 times a day. There's a railroad track that cuts across the intersection and one of the stop signs is set aways back from the track. The problem is people skip the line and stop at the tracks instead. The vehicle in front of me, stopped at the tracks will go. I'm stopped at the line where I'm supposed to be stopped and vehicle to the left is slowing down to stop. I believe I have the right of way over the car to the left not only because I stopped first, but also because I'm the vehicle to it's right. I could be wrong on this and it definitely looks like 2 vehicles are going at the same time.
From the Virginia driver's manual - Flashing red light: At a flashing red light, come to a complete stop and yield to oncoming vehicles and pedestrians. You may go when the way is clear. At a railroad crossing, you must come to a complete stop even if you don’t see a train.
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I believe that's actually an international "standard."
That's only if both vehicles arrived at the intersection at the same time. Otherwise: First come, first serve.
I believe that's true. (I don't recall for which state(s).)
But I think it only applies if there's no cross traffic? Not certain of that, either.
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In TN the law allows the second car to proceed without pulling forward. Of course only if no other auto is stopped at the other three directions. I saw this many years ago & have not heard that the law was changed. In fact a client of mine was ticketed for passing on a yellow line about 25 years ago & won his case in court as TN had no law prohibiting passing on a yellow line. I understand that the legislature soon passed a correction.
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STOP signs usually are interpreted as ROLL signs here.
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