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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
An ER was only staffed by a PA? _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
At night...yep. Rural America. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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I’m on a pretty good run, over ten years without being stopped. I drive a ‘gray-man’ vehicle and move with the traffic flow. I suppose my dash cam is a deterrent too(just kidding on that). | |||
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^^^^^this And in some states emergency vehicles are exempt from vehicle and traffic law | |||
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I have never once in my life seen a Massachusetts State Trooper travel under the speed limit of his own free will. If traffic forces it then he has no choice. But generally if you are in the left lane and only 10 over the limit they will ride your ass until you move. I support the police and I’ve not gotten a ticket in like 15 years. But the hypocrisy of any of them giving speeding tickets for going like 80 in a 65 is annoying. These go to eleven. | |||
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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici |
"And yes, it's ok for him to say you were speed while he was doing 7 over. Only time I've heard of people getting pulled for <9 over is when the limit is 25, 35, or a school zone." Then you haven't driven US 60 from Frankfort to Versailles. Woodford county LE write this up all the time, as little as 3 over in a 55. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Having habitual rule breakers enforcing the rules is one of the most vile human creations. There ought to be a law. Oh, wait. | |||
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Yes they will usually drive over the limit as to not create a bottle neck of traffic behind them. Here in Florida they don’t write speeding tickets 99% of the time unless you’re doing over 10 mph above the speeding ticket. | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Yes. I recommend you point this out to the judge when you go to court. Or perhaps the assistant district attorney, and suggest to them that they drop it due to this fact. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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Here in Utah, an officer is allowed to speed even without lights on while in the course of doing his job, such as nabbing you. Therefore, the fact that he was speeding is completely irrelevant to your guilt. The logic of the law is to allow the officer to get closer to the speeding vehicle before alerting the perp so as to lessen the desire to run. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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I'm not sure how that applies in this case with the officer initially going the other direction when radar indicated the speeding event. He'd want to be going slower as to be in a better position to turn around and catch the op. Faster makes turning around take at least marginally longer. ------------- $ | |||
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Ummm, no. I know facts, logic and experience generally aren't welcome in these threads, but that is completely not true. There are a LOT of reasons to speed up. A lot of know it alls get shredded in court. That's the reason that attorney's generally won't "fight" the ticket. They plead it down to something else like Improper Equipment instead. A lot of people think they know, but they don't. There's a little thing called visual estimation that is one of the key indices of speed enforcement. Usually the first contact with the car is the visual. The officer observes the car for a period, usually 300' if possible. During that time, he already knows the approximate speed of the vehicle. The radar is just the verification of the visual estimation. And in some states, the court document. Based upon the first second or two of the visual, I am already adjusting my speed to position to make the stop. Depending if I am cutting the median, and need momentum, or if I am going to hit a turn around or drive way, I am going to accelerate. Sometimes A LOT. | |||
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Yes. He's allowed to speed. You're not. Think about it. His job isn't to maintain the posted speed, while enforcing others doing the same; his job is to enforce. In order to move beyond the surrounding vehicles, moving faster than the posted speed is a physical necessity. The posted speed is not a "limit," legally speaking, despite what the sign says. While Montana and a few other places famously post "reasonable and prudent" as the "limit," the basis of a speed limit is that it's what's been determined reasonable and prudent for a particular stretch of road, curve, etc. You may also be cited well beneath that speed, if conditions dictate, and you may also be given some latitude above that. Commonly you'll also be given some latitude above for spedometer variance, too (5 mph). This should never be assumed. The officer enforcing that law has discretion, both in enforcing the law, and in observing it. This is true of many aspects of law enforcement. There are many jurisdictions in which you may not open carry, but the officer must. You may not lie to the police officer; he may lie to you to elicit information. You are required to observe and adhere to posted speeds (or less, as conditions require), while the officer observes departmental policy regarding speed. You'll find little defense in "but he was doing it too." He was doing his job. You were breaking the law. Do you understand the difference? | |||
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| Technically Adaptive |
I did not realize he was allowed to speed coming the other direction to enforce the law. I understand now. | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
Inquire about a "Citizen's arrest." Then arrest the cop. Tit for tat.  . | |||
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| Technically Adaptive |
As I said previously, I don't intend to get the charges dropped. The principal of getting charged with speeding while he was speeding (other direction), is it common?, considered normal? I would of thought no, but I was wrong. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss |
That changed years ago. We have posted limits that are enforced, or not. It seems it's up to the individual cop and whether or not his wife put out last night. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Follow the cop around with a camera until he spits on the sidewalk or jaywalks. Then he can join the boy scouts that turn themselves in for such egregious offenses of the law. | |||
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Having established that the police can speed in the performance of their duties, keep in mind that they don’t have carte blanche to disregard the speed limits. I’m reminded of an instance back in the 1990’s when I was in the National Guard. My platoon had three different cops from two different jurisdictions. Apparently, a local cop was speeding in his marked patrol car, just headed to work or something trivial. I can’t remember exactly. In that city was a UHP sub station, and a nearby trooper pulled him over and issued a ticket. This, naturally, let to an arms race of sorts when the locals began pulling over every UHP officer they could find to issue citations. Eventually big brass got involved, a cease fire was ordered, and nobody showed up to court. More recently, my brother, who is a FBI special agent, transferred to a new duty station. Shortly before he got there, there was a big bru-ha-ha over a particular agent who felt the need to run lights everyday on the way home. Eventually this attracted the attention of the local jurisdiction, and you can imagine the rest. Chief of police and FBI station chief had a meeting of the minds, so to speak. The agent is no longer there, and the station now has very strict rules about the use of lights and sirens in Bureau vehicles. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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No, you don't, and your'e still whining about it. You broke the law. You got caught. Deal with it. | |||
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