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Apparently, the state voted for some bill that forces waste management companies to collect and charge for organic waste. So, we have yard waste, recycles (which is complicated because it's not intuitive and forever changing), garbage and organic waste.

They say the organic waste will be put to use (composted or something?) but like recycling programs, I doubt this will be efficient. But now I'm supposed to be select about where I throw away garbage. And for this privilege, I'm getting charged an additional $70 per year, a 10% increase in the annual bill; and btw, additional inflationary charges increased the annual bill this year as well.

So, yay, now I need to have two garbage cans in my kitchen and other rooms. And since plastic bags aren't compostable, this organic waste gets to stew in my bins and my yard waste container for two weeks unsealed.

I could fill a page or two w/ profane thoughts of democrats in this state and country. But no need to waste electronics on a dead horse.




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I have one black for all trash and two blues for recycling.

San Diego want me to pay ($150-ish each?) when their trucks damage the can and the collector refuses to pick up the next week due to said damage. And no matter the amount of video available, it’s the residence responsibility.

Oh, and as long as it’s bagged, anything can be in the blue ones. Wink






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Don't you need to separate organics now too? It's a statewide bill. Seems like you should also have to now separate organics and be paying extra for the privilege. If not, lucky and I wonder if our district can be excluded as well.




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Many municipalities are changing the pickup schedule - your yard waste, with all food items are going to be picked up weekly. Recyclables will be every two weeks.

Also, smaller bins for use in your kitchen will be provided by some providers. This will allow the food scraps to keep cooler in the house pending moving to the yard waste bin.

I believe they have identified some types of bags that you will be able to use - have to research this a bit more.
 
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I really wonder how much practical, real benefit we're deriving from all this additional cost and complexity.




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Thankfully we don't pay for recycling. We have a large (95 gallon) black bin for trash (weekly), and a similar blue one for recycling (2nd & 4th Mondays). I think they both go to the same place nowadays, because one week when they were behind, they picked up both and dumped them into the same truck. At any rate, having the blue one has enabled us to keep from paying for a second trash bin. We use a Rubbermaid 30 gallon container in the house for recyclables, dumped in the blue bin when it is full. Trash is bagged, recyclables loose. "Organic" is bagged in the trash.



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Like most things in California, the ridiculous food/compost business is convoluted, poorly thought out, and seems designed to make someone else more money. Some of the trash companies are supposedly selling the compostable materials as well as charging the homeowners to collect it. We've taken to using the handy bucket provided to make our own compost for fruit trees and vegetable garden.


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I think the ordnance went into effect starting in January? In any case, I've been studiously avoiding compliance with our enlightened leadership. [knock on wood] Haven't been fined, yet.



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John Tierney wrote an article for the NYT in 1996, titled "Recycling is Garbage".
So you won't have to go to the NYT website, here is a summary:

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John Tierney's well-crafted ``Recycling Is Garbage," New York Times Magazine, June 30, 1996, states the case against recycling very well. Recycling can, of course, be a good idea, but only when it is profitable. City programs lose money, and when people spend time sorting garbage, it is a waste of resources, not thrift. If you simply throw all your recyclables in one garbage can and your other garbage in another, private labor costs are small, but the city still must pay extra. If you must sort carefully, home labor costs become the biggest part of the cost.

Here are extensive excerpts, reformatted by me and without ellipses, for the most part:


The simplest and cheapest option is usually to bury garbage in an environmentally safe landfill.
Since there's no shortage of landfill space there's no reason to make recycling a legal or moral imperative.

Mandatory recycling programs offer mainly short-term benefits to a few groups -- politicians, public relations consultants, environmental organizations, waste-handling corporations -- while diverting money from genuine social and environmental problems.

Recycling may be the most wasteful activity in modern America: a waste of time and money, a waste of human and natural resources.

[of Charles City Council, which imports New York City garbage to its landfill] ... thanks to its new landfill, the county has lower taxes, better-paid teachers and splendid schools. The landfill's private operator, the Chambers Development Company, pays Charles City County fees totaling $3 million a year -- as much as the county takes in from all its property taxes. The landfill has created jobs, as have the new businesses that were attracted by the lower taxes and new schools. The 80-acre public-school campus has three buildings with central air conditioning and fiber-optic cabling. The library has 10,000 books, laser disks and CD- ROM's; every classroom in the elementary school has a telephone and a computer. The new auditorium has been used by visiting orchestras and dance companies, which previously had no place to perform in the county.

Why should New Yorkers spend extra money to recycle so they can avoid this mutually beneficial transaction?

Why make harried parents feel guilty about takeout food?

Why train children to be garbage-sorters?

Why force the Bridges school to spend money on a recycling program when it still doesn't have a computer in the science classroom?

Are reusable cups and plates better than disposables? A ceramic mug may seem a more virtuous choice than a cup made of polystyrene, the foam banned by ecologically conscious local governments. But it takes much more energy to manufacture the mug, and then each washing consumes more energy (not to mention water). According to calculations by Martin Hocking, a chemist at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, you would have to use the mug 1,000 times before its energy-consumption-per-use is equal to the cup. (If the mug breaks after your 900th coffee, you would have been better off using 900 polystyrene cups.)

When consumers follow their preferences, they are guided by the simplest, and often the best, measure of a product's environmental impact: its price.

Polystyrene cups are cheap because they require so little energy and material to manufacture -- without reading a chemist's analysis, you could deduce from the cup's low price that it's an efficient use of natural resources. Similarly, the prices paid for scrap materials are a measure of their environmental value as recyclables. Scrap aluminum fetches a high price because recycling it consumes so much less energy than manufacturing new aluminum. The low price paid for scrap tinted glass tells you that you won't be conserving valuable resources by recycling it. While price is hardly a perfect measure of environmental impact, especially in countries where manufacturers are free to pollute, an American product's price usually reflects the cost of complying with strict environmental regulations.

Posted by erasmuse at November 4, 2004 03:22 PM


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