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Multiple ways they have been doing this. Population growth w/o corresponding infrastructure support. Water supply, electricity, schools, roads, etc. They push or encourage certain things but dependencies or complements are missing. It’s okay for niche but not for scale.

Servitude leadership - scoff.

Jesus, it's like your whole trip all you do is figure out where to recharge and how to waste 2 hrs everytime you charge. Great for around town, but I would never have one as a primary vehicle, unless all I did was drive around downtown.
Every video I watch is just mind numbing to me. And every time they say "it's free" I always ask well how much is your time worth? Cause you are paying one way or another.

Also, 4 stops to go 580 ish miles...yikes! I can make that in 1 stop for 10 minutes in my truck.

Typical liberal horseshit.

Live in a utopian dream, legislate your fantasies with no regard for reality at all.

Electric cars are cool technology, they may well in the far future be the dominant vehicle type, or some form of hybrid. If someone wants one, they should buy one, I have nothing against them. But it will be a long time, they aren't ready for prime time for 1000 reasons. Even the CEO of Toyota is starting to say what we all know, calm the "F" down on these, they will not be replacing ICE any time soon.

Think I'll stick with my current ride.

11 MPG doesn't seem all that bad, but I didn't get it for the fuel economy.

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every time they say "it's free"

As "free" as the health care in socialist countries. Nothing about it is "free". Of all the arguments they could make for it, this is by far the stupidest and anyone using it just announces how GD ignorant they are and saves you the time of having to listen another sound from their stupid pie holes.

EV = daily driver, commuter type vehicle. Road trips are no bueno. It’s a solid solution for driving in your metro area. Going out of town, hell no. Local driving it’s great because you just charge it, refuel it, etc, in your own garage.

I cannot believe I’m coming up to year 9 on my EV in a couple of months but I’m actually helping the overall issue as I have 35 solar panels on the roof so I’m constantly putting power back on the grid for others’ use, and my little daily driver Leaf is powered off the sun, and not the grid.

Going out of town, I have a gas AWD truck that I love. I thought about consolidating both into one. Selling the Leaf and Ridgeline for one of these new EV Trucks like the F150 Lightning etc, and it’s not worth it to me. The EV remains the best solution to me for local area driving as I prefer to have a designated DD. I wouldn’t want to daily drive a truck, just a waste of miles on it when it’s not traveling out of state, towing, or hauling stuff in the bed.

I will be moving rural, if I have my way, in the next 2 years and my Leaf’s range will not cut it. I’ll either spend 6-9k on a replacement battery pack, which will double or triple my range, or I’ll get the latest one. I really wanted to wait on the AWD version Nissan made but not talk of releasing that as an offering to the public.

The more interesting thing going on is Porsche’s synthetic fuel plant in Chile. I’m really excited about that. Should that take, we might be able to get some high octane fuel in North America, 95 or 98 octane at the pumps. And if the same octanes we get now, cool, maybe we can use that synthetic fuel to tell OPEC and the Middle East to go fuck itself. I want the USA to be energy independent. Once I move I plan on installing a set of panels and a windmill for my own power generation.

I am ready to purchase an electric vehicle just as soon as the entire government fleet (Presidential limo on down to local tax assessor) is converted to electric.

Climate guru (and former Vice President) Al Gore's personal airliner produces a larger carbon footprint getting off the runway than the average American family produces in a lifetime, and he wants us to be forced to purchase "carbon emissions" permits.

Global conferences on climate change are attended by thousands of big shots, all arriving on jet airplanes and riding around in limousines with escorts and entourages.

Scoff! Yes, that says it nicely.

And to counter the trend:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/wyo...ric-vehicles-by-2035

PC

The people who want us to eat bugs and own nothing to “save the planet” DO NOT WANT YOU TRAVELING much past your local area.

The whole issue with EV’s not being good for long trips is a feature not a bug.

Once you realize this, it all makes more sense.

Speaking of travel... I heard that back in the 1800's the range for courting was about 12 miles... that's as far as one could go on a horse... spend time with your lady and then travel home in a day.

Times have changed....

I don't totally disagree with most of you anti electrics views but I wonder. what you would have been saying 120+ years ago about these new fangled machines that used a highly flammable liquid to get from one place to another.....

"dern horseless carrages .... loud... they will burst into flame.... no body needs to travel that far. 20-40 miles... and especially that fast 20mph. And where do you get the fuel? "

Just listen to Al Gore....he is about to blow a gasket..

https://twitter.com/redvoicene.../1615808847544999941

The last 3 tankfuls of regular gas has yielded 38 MPG on my Toyota Highlander Platinum. Not too bad for a 3 row SUV. This is mixed city/highway travel.

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Just listen to Al Gore....he is about to blow a gasket..

https://twitter.com/redvoicene.../1615808847544999941

He's afraid he's not gonna make a ton of money off of "Climate Change" if things don't change.

I’m only about 30 minutes into his video, but I noted that, when he did find a charging station, it was available. I saw another video where a Tesla driver routinely arrived at the charging station to find a line of cars waiting to charge. That’s going to be another issue as our overlords force EVs on us.

What you don't hear about is some of the fantastic innovations going on in the power creation industry. Right now two nuclear designs have been approved and will tested at sights in Washington and Wyoming. First up is TerraPower's (Bill Gates) sodium cooled fast reactor. This uses a molten metal as a coolant. I don't remember who but someone is playing around with a high temperature gas reactor. Both designs are much smaller in scale. To give credit where credit is due this is one of the last things Trump signed into law late in his term. I really thought thorium would be the way to go, but it doesn't look like that's the case.

What else that is interesting is a company is messing around with coal plants to not only capture CO2 but use it as a coolant. Where the coal is burned must be sealed up. The only gas allowed in the burn chamber is oxygen and methane. The product of this reaction is water and CO2. The CO2 is then pumped back down used as a coolant, and pumped right back down into the ground. I don't know if this tech could be retrofitted into the plants we have now. We are the Saudi Arabia of coal and I think getting something like this to work is much more likely then cracking fusion any time soon. This is all outside the debate of do we really need to do this? I don't think so, but its new tech, and jobs and maybe it'll get some people to shut the hell up. Yes, I know fat chance.

The guy I got this all from is Rich Powell. Look him up on podcasts on Spotify. Interesting cat. He said we already pump about 40 million tons of CO2 back into the ground already. That's about the same as emitted by the world's bovine population.

I’ve always had big concerns with liquid sodium cooled reactors. Sure, they are not pressurized (can’t be pressurized), but you are talking about a metal that at room temperature will energetically react with snow, releasing enough hydrogen gas to generate a hydrogen-oxygen explosion. Now raise its temperature to nearly the boiling point of water, have it leak into an oxygen rich environment like air and you have a fire that you can’t use water or CO2 to extinguish.

None of these are new ideas. Fast sodium reactors date back to the 1960s and helium cooled reactors do as well. Ironically, the Fort St Vrain reactor in the US had issues with moisture getting into the helium, interfering with the neutronics of the core.

The real problem with new reactor designs is the rules, regulations and paperwork are the same for a 10 Megawatt reactor as for a 1200 Megawatt reactor. Which do you suppose is more economically feasible?

Another consideration is that even using 100 10MW units instead of 1 1000 MW reactor, you still need the same amount of cooling water. No such thing as a free lunch.

But I remember sitting in a line to get some of that wonderful liquid fuel?

I still can't believe we are allowed to actually move around in these bombs loaded with octane infused killer liquid. I've even heard that terrorist use them to run down people and transport more bombs in.

They history of man and energy goes something like this. Burning wood was the first, and the next was coal. We didn't run out of wood. Coal was abundant and relatively cheap to usher in the steam engine era. Now moving vehicles transitioned from coal and liquid petro chemicals. We certainly didn't run out of coal. Large scale power creation should have gone to nuclear by now if it wasn't for man's folly.

Now each and every one of these transitions have two things in common. 1. The energy mass per unit went up each time a transition was made. 2. The new energy was economically viable at some point.

Now with the left insisting on wholesale transition to renewables they are asking for us to return to using an energy mass on the order of wood in the case of solar. Total grids running on renewables will never happen. Because its impossible. I think its about directing the money to where they want it for maximum return to campaign coffers. Al Gore has a green company that's worth 37 billion. He takes 2 million off the top every month. How? My sister in law works for one of these carbon credit places out of Boulder. Has for the last 15 years. She still can't explain to me how they make money. Its all supporting one of the largest money making scams in human history.

My friend works indirectly on CO2 capture. Various departments Dept of Energy and others are paying huge sums to companies to capture, transport, and sequester it. Only problem is like ethanol, the process is energy intensive with a net negative. In capturing CO2, more is created than was captured and sequestered. Complete folly and everyone involved knows it "but hey if Big Green is going to pay us to do this we'll take it."