It’s ok, I understand privacy issues and totally respect you wanting to keep yours.
It is a hot button- lots of things are these days.
My personal frustration comes from seeing medical professionals in a different group I frequent expressing fear and anxiety on seeing a RECOVERED COVID patient. It boggles my mind. That’s why we are here, and a recovered patient shouldn’t be shunned- they need care, too. I came across this topic right after reading that thread, and my frustration bubbled over.

Many hospitals and associated outpatient clinics are incurring significant losses this year from having to suspend elective and other procedures. You really think that situation is a result of selfish decisions made by medical professionals?

This is a shitty situation and no one wants it. Stop asserting blame out of ignorance.

My wife has been under the care of two oncologists and and a rheumatologist and is in the midst of two treatment plans. Her access to care and the plans have been affected and that is both concerning and upsetting. But blaming her physicians is as illogical as me blaming my wife for her issues.

Sometimes life sucks and there is no clear explanation nor guilty scapegoat.

My harsh tone notwithstanding, I am sorry that you and your wife are having to navigate this. We have found our doctors to be very helpful in guiding us to make decisions as to my wife’s ongoing care during this period. Some of the decisions have not been easy and ultimately we bear the responsibility. But they’ve helped us understand the associated risks, limitations and benefits. I hope you can receive similar guidance.

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Sometimes life sucks and there is no clear explanation nor guilty scapegoat.

Oh really?

We have had poor sanitary standards for years. Sick people shopping, dining out. People with their sick kids....shopping, touching everything.

Then comes the MSM to stir up a panic.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Sometimes life sucks and there is no clear explanation nor guilty scapegoat.

Oh really?

We have had poor sanitary standards for years. Sick people shopping, dining out. People with their sick kids....shopping, touching everything.

Then comes the MSM to stir up a panic.

I said “sometimes”. Did I not?

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Originally posted by FHHM213:

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

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Sometimes life sucks and there is no clear explanation nor guilty scapegoat.

Oh really?

We have had poor sanitary standards for years. Sick people shopping, dining out. People with their sick kids....shopping, touching everything.

Then comes the MSM to stir up a panic.

I said “sometimes”. Did I not?

It's easy to ignore the real issues, eh?

The real issues that concern me at the present relates to cancer and resulting complications. But perhaps you’re right. Maybe it all could have been avoided if my wife had cleaned the house more often.

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Originally posted by FHHM213:
The real issues that concern me at the present relates to cancer and resulting complications. But perhaps you’re right. Maybe it all could have been avoided if my wife had cleaned the house more often.

Your flippant response to me is not necessary.

I'm sorry your wife is under going treatment for cancer. In past years I have lost several family members to colon or lung cancer and more than several co workers to Prostate or lung cancer.

My concern now is the mass frenzy of this Virus and the medical communities focus on that treatment only.

GW,

Thank you.

If you read back thru the entirety of my posts in this thread, you’ll note my view is that the medical community is dealing as best they can with a difficult situation. And my view is based on our own experience working with doctors during this, as well as logical reasoning that questions an assertion that any provider is selfishly motivated to defer certain procedures.

I thought the OP was rash in assigning blame and speculating as to the cause of that assigned blame. I don’t think it is accurate nor helpful.

I sometimes find it helpful to vent, but I do believe doctors are being excessive in their precautions. For me, it's a go/no situation. I see specialists every six to eight weeks for chronic conditions. I've been told it is VITAL that I have these visits.....right up until there's a contagious disease going around. Yes, I'm high risk for catching and carrying it. Did I need these visits or not? If I did, is your risk, which, to my perception, is minimal, worth my life?

I have friends who were undergoing cancer treatments, until it was "too risky." Too risky for who? Seems to me like they're saying her life isn't worth the risk to themselves.

Preach science all you want, IN FACT, this is not much worse, if any, than a flu season. Even Dr. Birx admits the CDC exaggerates numbers, and nearly all hospitals do. Accident victims and murder victims have been classified as Covid. Part of the problem, of course, is the media. Flu season death stats are rarely reported. The general public has no standard for comparison. Blatantly telling lies, like CBS using a hospital ER in Rome and portraying it as NY, helps no one.

Kinda hard cheese that, after spending my life in public service among the unhealthiest group of Americans (and aliens) possible, that I can't get a damn blood draw. Nobody ever said to me, "Gee, Fred, don't do rescue breathing on that inmate," or "Gosh, Lieutenant, don't slap your hands over that arterial bleed, you might get sick." But then, I took an oath.

Maybe they were more fearful of infecting you?

But. Of concerned about my lack of care? Remember, they stressed visits were “vital”.

What I am finding is that all the actual physicians are at home in their safe spaces and the nurses are the ones seeing patients and towing the line. (or the physicians have been furloughed )

I have a family member that is experiencing unbelievable muscle spasms and twitches. Not a caffeine drinker nor a smoker or alcohol consumer. Well hydrated and in good shape. (works out daily) Tried to see PCP but he is not seeing patients for another 4 weeks? But his nurse practitioner saw him and took some blood. Waiting 3 days for results. In the meantime, the muscle spasms have moved from his arms to his legs and hips. (multiple spasms every minute) Tried to force a referral to see a Neurologist tomorrow - no luck as they are not seeing patients right now?

I called the office hotline a few minutes ago and demanded they find a physician willing to man up, come into work and practice medicine. Waiting on a call back.

Trying to avoid this being an ER episode, which probably won't resolve much.

Very frustrating.

It is not that way here. Sad to hear. Physicians are seeing patients here, and specialists have same day openings.
All I can say is that you have a SORRY medical situation. I am guessing that it is corporate driven.
Having lower level providers in the office sounds like a corporate decision{all about the money}.

I just took Bonnie in for an out patient procedure ,
couldn't go in with her,
gotta go pick her up in 5 hours

would like to have stayed in there with her

Perhaps the blame should be upon the ADMINISTRATORS or corporate heath care. The following is a story from UMMC which is in Jackson, Ms. It is a level one trauma center and takes all comers regardless of ability to pay. Here is the article:

JACKSON, Miss. —
A veteran trauma surgeon is among the 250 employees laid off from the University of Mississippi Medical Center.

Dr. Leon Sykes said he spent nearly four years treating trauma patients and saving lives at UMMC. He said he was stunned by the way he was treated his last day on the job.

“Well, I mean it’s surreal,” Sykes said. “I mean you can’t believe any of this is happening.”

Moments after Sykes was told his contract at UMMC would not be renewed, his Wednesday meeting with the human resources director turned hostile when Sykes tried to speak.

“She stood up abruptly and said, ‘This meeting is over,’ and called security. At that point, I said, ‘OK,’” Sykes said.

Sykes said he quickly gathered up his belongings from his office and headed to the parking garage to leave. He said the HR director was right behind him.

“She followed me the whole way talking with security on the phone as I was leaving. She followed me, actually literally into the parking garage to my car,” Sykes said.

Before he could leave, Sykes said campus security asked to search is car to make sure he wasn’t stealing something from the hospital.

“I said, ‘That’s fine,’ and they did and then my keys were taken from me and my ID and they told me that because of the nature of the meeting, if I return to the medical center, I could be subject to charges,” Sykes said.

UMMC officials said the layoffs are in response to a $100 million budget deficit. Administrators announced last week that all faculty and staff who make more than $100,000 would take a 10% pay cut for three months.

Sykes has been a trauma surgeon for 35 years. The 68-year-old said he’s triple board-certified. WAPT asked Sykes if he thinks he was let go because of money.

“Yeah. I mean there’s nothing wrong with the way that I did my job, as proficient as I’ve ever been, and so yeah, I mean that’s it. It’s money,” Sykes said.

Hospital officials said the HR meetings are confidential and they had no comment.

LINK: https://www.wapt.com/article/v...f-from-ummc/32703366

My family doctor closed his office and as far as I know, it is still closed.

But, My son in law is a doctor. He works for an association that services 5 hospitals in a large Ohio city. Though he is a specialist, he does lots of procedures and such. He has not missed a single day at work and even though he has a wife and 3 young kids, he has knowingly worked on 3 people who had the virus. He has moved into a separate bedroom and no longer hugs or kisses his kids. That to me is a big sacrifice.
So, I guess a doctor should have the freedom to make up his own mind about how to handle the situation.