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His Royal Hiney
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Originally posted by m1009:
I’ve been out of school for many years now, but I remember being taught to do two spaces after the period at the end of a sentence. Nobody ever called me out on that, until I started having to work with a much younger colleague on reports and such. She kept pointing out I had an extra space, and I finally got irritated and told her that’s how I had been taught. She had to Google it before she believed me. Of course, they had changed the rules since I’ve been out of school. Now I have to hit review each email to make sure I don’t have any extra spaces. Roll Eyes Also, the apostrophe thing irks me. Everytime I want to make something possessive, it wants me to put the apostrophe before the ‘s’. At my age, I’m over being that anal about it, and I’ve seen worse mistakes from the bosses in their emails.


It's not that they changed the rules; they just programmed the spacing now after the period.



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Rey HRH, I’m just set in my ways, and I didn’t google if anything changed, but my colleague was such an irritant about it as we have to collaborate on reports and emails. So much that she said she had to look it up cause she was not taught about the extra space. Her school taught one space after the period so she hadn’t believed me. I’ve got over 30 years on her, so she’s a whippersnapper, lol.
 
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Interestingly enough MS Word gives you the option to check for one space or two spaces between sentences.





 
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Originally posted by m1009:
Also, the apostrophe thing irks me. Everytime I want to make something possessive, it wants me to put the apostrophe before the ‘S’.


The apostrophe typically does come before the S when used to denote possession. The only time that it doesn't is when the base word already ends in S or has had an S added to make it plural, in which case the apostrophe comes after the existing S with no additional possessive S added.

For example:

That is Steve's car.
That is James' car.
That is the Smiths' car.

All of my browsers and word processors properly recognize all three of those types of instances as correct.

Whereas if I try to type:

That is Steves' car

It gets properly flagged as incorrect, and wants me to use the correct "Steve's" with the apostrophe before the S.
 
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Yep, that's exactly the type of thing I mentioned in my initial post. The use of apostrophes to denote pluralization is rampant these days.

But interestingly enough, whoever designed that menu is not even consistent with their incorrect apostrophe pluralization, since the final instance of "Ribs" is lacking an apostrophe...
 
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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

The apostrophe typically does come before the S when used to denote possession. The only time that it doesn't is when the base word already ends in S or has had an S added to make it plural, in which case the apostrophe comes after the existing S with no additional possessive S added.
Adding to your comments, two examples:

  • This is my dog's food. (I have one dog.)

  • This is my dogs' food. (I have two or more dogs, and this is their food.)



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    Originally posted by RogueJSK:
    There are apparently quite a few people out there on the interwebs who are under the impression that words are made plural by adding 's.
    There are corner cases where an apostrophe is used to properly form the plural, though.


    What are they?




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    Some style guides consider it grammatically acceptable when pluralizing single letter and single numbers. Therefore, sentences like the following could be acceptable:

    Binary is a numerical language that uses only 1's and 0's.

    Mind your p's and q's.

    Don't forget to dot your i's and cross your t's.


    In addition, it's sometimes considered grammatically correct when pluralizing an abbreviation that uses periods. For example, this sentence could be considered grammatically correct:

    At the medical conference, I met a large number of Ph.D.'s and M.D.'s.


    But those niche cases just further muddy the waters for the average person. It's easier to simply say: Never use an apostrophe to form a plural.
     
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    when speaking BBQ, the term Ribs is used as a noun Big Grin



     
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    quote:
    Originally posted by RogueJSK:
    Some style guides consider it grammatically acceptable when pluralizing single letter and single numbers. Therefore, sentences like the following could be acceptable:

    Binary is a numerical language that uses only 1's and 0's.

    Mind your p's and q's.

    Don't forget to dot your i's and cross your t's.


    In addition, it's sometimes considered grammatically correct when pluralizing an abbreviation that uses periods. For example, this sentence could be considered grammatically correct:

    At the medical conference, I met a large number of Ph.D.'s and M.D.'s.


    But many of those look odd to me, and just further muddy the waters for the average person. It's easier to simply say: Never use an apostrophe to form a plural.


    Most of the style guides I know of do not do it that way, but I do not mean to argue that there are those that do.

    I would agree that they look odd. The only one that does not look odd can be single letters, especially when the result is also a word. For example: Don't forget to dot your is. But I would suggest doing this: Don't forget to dot your "i"s. Seeting it off with quotes is acceptable because you are referring to the letter as a letter. Allowing the apostrophe just leads to confusion of the rule, which is that plurals are not formed by using apostrophes and an "s."

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    Originally posted by RogueJSK:
    Some style guides consider it grammatically acceptable when pluralizing single letter and single numbers.

    Yes. As I recall at one time it was considered acceptable to add an apostrophe to any abbreviation such as, “Our company has five NCO’s,” but I stopped doing that long ago because it looks like the thing I’m complaining about.

    Now, however, we are getting into some obscure stuff that even this member of the Grammar Gestapo doesn’t expect the average person to know. Possessive pronouns and apostrophes are a little confusing as well because their rules are the opposite of the rules for other words, so I am a bit more forgiving about them, but I would stop my complaints entirely if I would not see examples like “My two dog’s are both beagle’s.”




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    I blame the 70’s or maybe the ’80s.
     
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    I blame the 70’s or maybe the ’80s.


    The latter is correct. I had a job for a while where this was stuff we were supposed to worry about.




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    It's not people getting it wrong that bothers me as much as people who don't care to try to get it right - even to the extent that they come across as proud of how it doesn't matter to try to get it right.
     
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    Never use an apostrophe to form a plural.


    Most often used, perhaps, with peoples' names: the Smiths, the Robertsons.

    What bothers me more is people who think they are using correct grammar by saying "I" instead of "me" as the object.
    For example: Just between you and I; it belongs to her and I


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    people who think they are using correct grammar by saying "I" instead of "me" as the object.

    I often get a whiff of pretentiousness when I see that mistake. I sometimes get the impression that they not only believe they are using correct grammar, but that they are demonstrating their superior knowledge of grammar to everyone else.




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    I think I still have an ancient copy of Strunk & White The Elements Of Style.

    I haven’t touched it in 30 or 35 years.

    Anyone remember this?
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