Originally posted by sigfreund: Something I read following shortages of various products due to one of our recent hurricanes was an opinion piece criticizing policies designed to prevent price gouging. The author pointed out that price caps imposed by the government or individual companies actually made shortages more likely due to several factors.
First is that when people know prices will rise as a result of something like a hurricane, they are more likely to keep that in mind next time and prepare in advance rather than waiting until the last moment when many others are lining up to find and buy. Being gouged a few times will serve as a spur—to some people at least—to not let it happen again.
Second, if they do wait, higher prices will discourage people from buying more than they believe is reasonably necessary. If TP is going for $5 a roll, they’re unlikely to load up a shopping cart with a six month supply. That means the supplies that are available will last longer.
And then there is the effect on the vendors. If a seller knows he can get more than the normal price for something, he’s more likely to anticipate the spike in demand and be willing to spend the money and effort necessary to lay in a larger than normal supply. Or the vendor may decide to keep prices at the normal level as a gesture that will be appreciated by the public. Even if that doesn’t help limit shortages, it allows the free market to operate without unnecessary governmental interference.
Great points. I’ve never understood the sentiment of punishing so-called price gougers. Whenever I’ve expressed this, I seem to get flamed.
Consider the hurricane in Houston. I live in Utah, with a semi truck. I could have bought up our surplus generators (at retail), and probably could have gotten a hundred on the truck. Then two days to drive them there, $1000 in fuel, another $1000 in overhead. Probably days to get them sold. Going home would be empty, so tack on another $2,000 in transportation cost. Add in the opportunity cost of suspending my normal operations, the risk involved, and suddenly doubling the cost of the generators is just doing ok, certainly not making a killing.
Many say that it is a crime to do this. I saw politicians saying you would be arrested. Therefore, I just pass on the whole idea, and the supply of generators in the disaster zone remained constrained. There’s no incentive for anybody to add to the supply if prices are fixed to pre-disaster levels because supplier costs are way higher during the emergency. It’s not like I could go buy them at wholesale and wait on normal shipping. So shortages remain more acute than they need be because I’m not willing to incur the risk.
This doesn’t include people who purposefully hoard the local supply with the intention of gouging their neighbors. That’s a different matter entirely, because these types are acting as an artificial middle man.
Some people just don't get it. Share this video with those that don't.
The leadership, legislatures, people in general, etc., are trying to do a right thing without understanding what they’re interfering with and that spills over then into bad law. I admit that before I read the opinion piece I mentioned I hadn’t thought about any of that myself and therefore would have probably gone along with the unthinking sheep in believing that raising prices when demand was high was bad. What’s ironic is that many people who otherwise object to governmental interference in the economy think that suddenly such rules become a good idea in a disaster.
Another thing I noticed in the video was that when the one official was pushed into a corner he had to resort to the “It’s the law” defense of his position. That is something that’s really grinding my gears more and more, especially after our local commissioners fell back to it in deciding not to endorse the “red flag” sanctuary measure for our county.
“I can’t refute your argument, but I don’t have any choice.” Well yes, you do. Selective enforcement happens all the time from the street cop to judges and juries making the final decision. And refusing to enforce a bad law is the first step in getting it repealed.
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March 12, 2020, 02:12 PM
PASig
I saw a guy trying to sell one of those big rolls you see at commercial facilities like malls and workplaces, on Facebook Marketplace last night for $40
I bet you he stole it. Asshole.
I will wipe my ass with cut up old clothing (have plenty of that) before I pay anyone crazy prices for some TP.
March 12, 2020, 02:16 PM
Krazeehorse
The food supply will dry up at the same time....problem solved.
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March 12, 2020, 02:58 PM
oddball
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March 12, 2020, 04:14 PM
sigfreund
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Originally posted by PASig: I saw a guy trying to sell one of those big rolls you see at commercial facilities like malls and workplaces ....
Not that your assumption isn’t likely true, but those large rolls are also being bought by individuals who are fed up with their children and/or spouses who won’t change the roll when it’s finished. The Wall Street Journal had a whole article on it some weeks ago.
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I can tell at sight a Chassepot rifle from a javelin.
March 12, 2020, 04:30 PM
Mars_Attacks
It's insane at my grocery store right now.
The lines are at least 2 hours long.
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March 12, 2020, 04:32 PM
1967Goat
<Sarcasm> I'm gonna put these on FB Marketplace. I'm gonna be Oprah Rich! </Sarcasm>
I actually bought these this past fall for our Cub Scout camp-out. I usually feel like a sucker for storing all this crap.
March 12, 2020, 04:56 PM
Ryanp225
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Originally posted by 1967Goat: <Sarcasm> I'm gonna put these on FB Marketplace. I'm gonna be Oprah Rich! </Sarcasm>
I actually bought these this past fall for our Cub Scout camp-out. I usually feel like a sucker for storing all this crap.
I'll see your purel and raise you 5 cases of these I have in my warehouse.
March 12, 2020, 05:02 PM
ensigmatic
My wife stopped into a Meijer, yesterday, to top a couple things off. As she was exiting, there was a woman with a shopping cart piled so high with TP she lost a couple packages as she was rolling along.
Apparently so focused on getting out of Dodge with her fortune of TP she didn't even notice it. Her daughter and my wife picked them up and put them back on the stack.
Idiots.
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March 12, 2020, 05:34 PM
PowerSurge
Some app guru needs to come up with a “CharminBuddy” or “TPBuddy” app similar to GasBuddy.
Dude would make a load of cash.
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March 12, 2020, 05:50 PM
RHINOWSO
So glad we went to monthly bulk ordering about 5 years ago. Case every other month, build up a stock, let it dwindle down / get used up when the parents stay a couple weeks, build it back up.
Pretty much have 3 months of everything here, all the time.
March 12, 2020, 05:52 PM
PowerSurge
Yeah, I’ve got enough to last me about two months, all the time. But with fights breaking out over toilet paper, even Mr. Whipple would be disappointed.
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March 12, 2020, 05:54 PM
RHINOWSO
Shit, camping out in the Costo with a couple video cameras, making a Youtube video of the stupidity is probably the easiest way to make money.
March 12, 2020, 05:56 PM
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March 12, 2020, 07:34 PM
sourdough44
Went to Walmart for a few things today, had to peek at the T.P. isle. The isle was bare, even with the ‘3 pack limit’ per shopper.
I see the Kleenex was well stocked, should one need alternatives.
March 12, 2020, 07:42 PM
jimmy123x
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO: So glad we went to monthly bulk ordering about 5 years ago. Case every other month, build up a stock, let it dwindle down / get used up when the parents stay a couple weeks, build it back up.
Pretty much have 3 months of everything here, all the time.
I'm the same way, except buy it at Costco myself. Must be the in the marine industry, better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it mentality!
March 12, 2020, 08:01 PM
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March 12, 2020, 09:19 PM
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March 12, 2020, 09:43 PM
Georgeair
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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks: It's insane at my grocery store right now.
The lines are at least 2 hours long.
Like someone in another thread I’ve gotten street cred for our Sam’s run last week followed by sending her with a monster list to store yesterday.
We are fine for a month+ unless we have to start shooting people. Then call it three.