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Originally posted by m1009:
Well, I DON’T want to take it, but will be forced to to keep my job. My employer, a large healthcare organization, suddenly decided to mandate everybody has to get it or be fired. They will honor religious or medical exemptions, but I am skeptical about if those will be approved. Unless it truly is a medical reason.
I do not have pt contact, and work remotely. But they insist all employees have to get it.
Which really ticks me off, as as little as a couple weeks ago they assured us they would not mandate it.
I don’t like being forced to do something I have not decided is right for myself yet. Now I have a deadline and I’m not a happy camper. I wanted to wait until the 2 new vaccines came out and see what the results are, but they won’t let us wait.
This sucks big time.

The Nuremberg Code makes your employers actions unlawful.

Also your body is your property, and you have a right to privacy regarding your body (Roe v Wade).

Just tell the bastards you are vaccinated (you have had the measles, mumps vaccine), and if they require proof take them to court.

As nobody can tell you what to do with your property or make you divulge your medical history (4th and 9th Amendment) you can file a criminal complaint against them should they take punitive action against you under 18 USC section 242.

Also with over 9000 deaths caused by the "vaccine" I think you would have a very valid argument for not taking their magic potion.

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Originally posted by lizardman_u:

The Nuremberg Code makes your employers actions unlawful.

Also your body is your property, and you have a right to privacy regarding your body (Roe v Wade).

Just tell the bastards you are vaccinated (you have had the measles, mumps vaccine), and if they require proof take them to court.

As nobody can tell you what to do with your property or make you divulge your medical history (4th and 9th Amendment) you can file a criminal complaint against them should they take punitive action against you under 18 USC section 242.

Also with over 9000 deaths caused by the "vaccine" I think you would have a very valid argument for not taking their magic potion.

All I can say is good luck with all that. There is a long history of employers requiring various things of its employees, including vaccinations of various types. Mrs. Flash worked for a County hospital for 10 years and was required to get several vaccinations including Tuberculosis. There are several legal precedents and that's undoubtedly the way the courts would go.

Basically the employer states it's an issue of their responsibility to and liability from their patients or customers and further states that the employee is free to seek employment elsewhere. Their house, their rules.

I wish there was a legal standpoint right now. As stated, their house, their rules. We have given them the arguments, the deaths, the medical issues. Reply was either ‘try’ for an exemption, or get fired for not taking it. Basically, this is what we’re doing, and tough. No state law forbidding this mandate.
That hospital in TX, their employees had the same issue, their court case got denied, and they lost. Not sure if they took to Supreme Court yet, or the status of any appeals.
I can show all the legalese I can muster, but can’t afford a long court battle, and they have deeper pockets than I do. And can’t afford to quit or be fired. And my skill set is related to this type of business structure, and I think all of the ones in my area are doing the same thing.

Just venting, this huge push to force everybody to get this vaccine is so wrong in my opinion, they are using scare tactics to validate it.

Good!

They can have mine.

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Originally posted by lizardman_u:

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Originally posted by m1009:
Well, I DON’T want to take it, but will be forced to to keep my job. My employer, a large healthcare organization, suddenly decided to mandate everybody has to get it or be fired. They will honor religious or medical exemptions, but I am skeptical about if those will be approved. Unless it truly is a medical reason.
I do not have pt contact, and work remotely. But they insist all employees have to get it.
Which really ticks me off, as as little as a couple weeks ago they assured us they would not mandate it.
I don’t like being forced to do something I have not decided is right for myself yet. Now I have a deadline and I’m not a happy camper. I wanted to wait until the 2 new vaccines came out and see what the results are, but they won’t let us wait.
This sucks big time.

The Nuremberg Code makes your employers actions unlawful.

Also your body is your property, and you have a right to privacy regarding your body (Roe v Wade).

Just tell the bastards you are vaccinated (you have had the measles, mumps vaccine), and if they require proof take them to court.

As nobody can tell you what to do with your property or make you divulge your medical history (4th and 9th Amendment) you can file a criminal complaint against them should they take punitive action against you under 18 USC section 242.

Also with over 9000 deaths caused by the "vaccine" I think you would have a very valid argument for not taking their magic potion.

Also, employers may not be considering that if they require the "vaccination" and the employee is unable to work because of a reaction, it could be a worker's comp issue and cost the company money.

Unfortunately, they will be investigating all vaccinations to prove it was actually done. Can’t just submit a card and say, here it is!
And the Nuremberg thing is fine, they’ll just tell me, get out, since it’s our organization. That is then my choice to get the shot or be fired for non compliance.
Again, would be a long and expensive court battle, and if I could afford that, heck, I’d retire now and say screw them.

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Originally posted by m1009:
Well, I DON’T want to take it, but will be forced to to keep my job. My employer, a large healthcare organization, suddenly decided to mandate everybody has to get it or be fired. They will honor religious or medical exemptions, but I am skeptical about if those will be approved. Unless it truly is a medical reason.
I do not have pt contact, and work remotely. But they insist all employees have to get it.
Which really ticks me off, as as little as a couple weeks ago they assured us they would not mandate it.
I don’t like being forced to do something I have not decided is right for myself yet. Now I have a deadline and I’m not a happy camper. I wanted to wait until the 2 new vaccines came out and see what the results are, but they won’t let us wait.
This sucks big time.

My employer, also a healthcare network, just did the same thing - ALL employees must get the vaccine.
Thankfully I'm going to be retired in four weeks.

https://www.infowars.com/posts...dated-covid-vaccine/

As soon as a few Employers start getting sued into oblivion over these extremely unfortunate (and tragically unnecessary) outcomes resulting from their 'Mandated Vaccine Policies' we'll see this shit stop Post Haste!

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Originally posted by m1009:
Unfortunately, they will be investigating all vaccinations to prove it was actually done. Can’t just submit a card and say, here it is!

Hawaii is doing that now, started on July 8. Upload a digital copy of your vaccination card and they check it out before you can travel. I've been telling people they weren't going to accept the fake Covid vaccination cards some have been buying and it's now a fact.

They are doing this in lieu of taking a Covid test in the 72 hour period prior to your taking off for Hawaii.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by m1009:
Unfortunately, they will be investigating all vaccinations to prove it was actually done. Can’t just submit a card and say, here it is!

Hawaii is doing that now, started on July 8. Upload a digital copy of your vaccination card and they check it out before you can travel. I've been telling people they weren't going to accept the fake Covid vaccination cards some have been buying and it's now a fact.

They are doing this in lieu of taking a Covid test in the 72 hour period prior to your taking off for Hawaii.

This should really help boost their tourism and economy. Way to go Hawaii.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by m1009:
Unfortunately, they will be investigating all vaccinations to prove it was actually done. Can’t just submit a card and say, here it is!

Hawaii is doing that now, started on July 8. Upload a digital copy of your vaccination card and they check it out before you can travel. I've been telling people they weren't going to accept the fake Covid vaccination cards some have been buying and it's now a fact.

They are doing this in lieu of taking a Covid test in the 72 hour period prior to your taking off for Hawaii.

This should really help boost their tourism and economy. Way to go Hawaii.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it will as if you do the Covid test within the 72 hour preflight window and fail, you stand a good chance of losing deposits as a lot of Vacation rentals will only refund your money if you cancel 90 days or more in advance.

The sad thing is, with all the technical advances, they can check everything these days. And new healthcare software combines all your records to be seen at one click.
Good for some things, not for others.

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Originally posted by m1009:
The sad thing is, with all the technical advances, they can check everything these days. And new healthcare software combines all your records to be seen at one click.
Good for some things, not for others.

But, HIPAA only allows anyone to see it with your written permission.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by m1009:
The sad thing is, with all the technical advances, they can check everything these days. And new healthcare software combines all your records to be seen at one click.
Good for some things, not for others.

But, HIPAA only allows anyone to see it with your written permission.

Not necessarily true. The government has a variety of mechanisms to access your medical records without your consent.

Okay, here's the HIPAA law:

https://www.verywellhealth.com...ical-records-2615502

Right of Access
Under HIPAA, certain individuals and entities have the right to access your medical records.4

They are classified as covered entities under HIPAA, meaning that they have the right to access under specific regulatory guidelines.


Covered entities include doctors and allied medical professionals, facilities (like hospitals, labs, and nursing homes), payers (like Medicare and health insurance), technology providers that maintain electronic health records, and the government.

As covered entities, they have very strict rules they must follow, and that includes getting written permission from you to share your records. Under HIPAA, the general guidelines are as follows:3


You have a legal right to copies of your own medical records.
A loved one or caregiver may have the right to get copies of your medical records, too, but you may have to provide written permission.
Your health care providers have a right to see and share your records with anyone else to whom you've granted permission. For example, if your primary care doctor refers you to a specialist, you may be asked to sign a form that says he or she can share your records with that specialist.
Your payers have a right to get copies and use your medical records as specified in HIPAA laws. Insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid, workers compensation, Social Security disability, Department of Veterans Affairs, or any institutional entity that pays for any portion of your healthcare needs may review your records.
Federal and state government may have a right to your medical records. In addition to medical payment, other agencies may have access, such as law enforcement and child protective services if a subpoena is obtained. If you've been in a workplace accident, the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) may get involved.
Medical Information Bureau, also known as the MIB Group, may have an individual record on you and is not subject to HIPAA laws. The MIB Group is a non-profit entity found more than 125 years ago that provides information to life insurance to assess eligibility for coverage.
Prescription databases like IntelliScript (Milliman) and MedPoint (Ingenix) very likely have data-mined records on all prescription drugs you purchased over the past five or more years. This information is used by life insurance or disability insurance companies to determine whether or not they will sell you insurance.
One entity not covered under HIPAA are employers. Even if they pay for your insurance or medical care out of pocket, HIPAA prohibits them from accessing medical records or insurance claims as it could result in discrimination.