Yesterday, the township I live in decided to lay down tar and stones on the road I live on. To say that it's a colossal mess is an understatement. Stones flying everywhere as cars go by and I won't even get the motorcycle out of the garage now. Drove on it in my car as I went out to supper last night and all I heard was rocks hitting the underside of my car. I called the township office yesterday and asked why they did this. "The road was in need of repair" was the response I got. It wasn't in need of repair. There were no potholes, no nothing. I ride or drive on this road every day, sometimes multiple times. No issues. My weekends are usually spent riding and shooting. Not going to even attempt to ride today. Is it a bad thing that I can only shoot? No but I'm pissed that they would mess up the road like this when it was fine.
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August 11, 2019, 12:34 PM
FN in MT
We chip seal here in MT. Meaning the roadway is cleaned, then a layer of tar is spread out, then SHARP little 1/4" crushed stones are dropped on, then rolled in.
When it's cleaned up it's GREAT for the winter, like riding on sandpaper. Hell on tires or especially high speed contact with soft tissue such as MC accidents.
They quickly run a sweeper over it and clean up 90% of the loose gravel.
August 11, 2019, 12:52 PM
joatmonv
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Originally posted by FN in MT: We chip seal here in MT. Meaning the roadway is cleaned, then a layer of tar is spread out, then SHARP little 1/4" crushed stones are dropped on, then rolled in.
When it's cleaned up it's GREAT for the winter, like riding on sandpaper. Hell on tires or especially high speed contact with soft tissue such as MC accidents.
They quickly run a sweeper over it and clean up 90% of the loose gravel.
I wouldn't have minded if they did it in October, that would have made sense. As for the sweeper, they ran it before they laid the tar and stone down. I got out in the backyard and put some rounds through the carry pistol so it hasn't been a bad day, just wish I could ride some also.
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August 11, 2019, 12:52 PM
Orguss
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Originally posted by joatmonv: "The road was in need of repair" was the response I got. It wasn't in need of repair. There were no potholes, no nothing. I ride or drive on this road every day, sometimes multiple times. No issues.
The state came in and paved nearly five miles of road right through my town. It took about six weeks and was completely unnecessary. The road was pretty much perfect before they started. Meanwhile, the county owned road that runs through town perpendicular to the state road is in disrepair to the point that there are a few small sections that have been ground down to dirt.
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August 11, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jimbo54
A number of years ago the county completely repaved the road that runs along our property. That project lasted most of the summer. About a year and a half later I wake up to heavy equipment tearing up the road again. WTF!!! Turns out that they decided to replace both the sewer and water lines. Nobody thought to do it all at one time? Somebodies ass should have been fired but I'm sure that never happened.
Jim
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August 11, 2019, 03:30 PM
joatmonv
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Originally posted by Jimbo54: A number of years ago the county completely repaved the road that runs along our property. That project lasted most of the summer. About a year and a half later I wake up to heavy equipment tearing up the road again. WTF!!! Turns out that they decided to replace both the sewer and water lines. Nobody thought to do it all at one time? Somebodies ass should have been fired but I'm sure that never happened.
Jim
That would have been efficient and a good use of taxpayer money. Instead, they will keep on spending it the way they want, efficiency be damned. They'll also do it at the most inopportune time too.
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August 11, 2019, 07:48 PM
henryaz
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Originally posted by Jimbo54: A number of years ago the county completely repaved the road that runs along our property. That project lasted most of the summer. About a year and a half later I wake up to heavy equipment tearing up the road again. WTF!!! Turns out that they decided to replace both the sewer and water lines. Nobody thought to do it all at one time? Somebodies ass should have been fired but I'm sure that never happened.
Jim
When I lived in MD for 30 years, I traveled heavily and mostly on MD Rte 355/Rockville Pike. Sections got repaved at regular intervals. There was a nice concrete base under the asphalt. But no sooner than a section would get paved, sure enough along comes a "need" to dig across it for some reason or another.
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August 11, 2019, 09:27 PM
marksman41
We have a lot of that chip-seal road covering here in AR. Like FN's experience it is hard on tires.
What surprised me is when I saw roads being redone with nice new and smooth asphalt, then being covered with chip-seal a couple of weeks later. In talking with a fellow who works on the local road crew here, he said that the powers-that-be have determined that roads will last longer with chip-seal on top. It didn't use to be that way. I think it's been a recent change in policy to put that stuff on freshly laid roads.
A while back, while I was researching the topic of driveway coatings, I had read on a couple of forums that chip-seal is cheap (as in bad, not necessarily inexpensive) road covering, and more than a few forum contributors who do that work for a living recommended against it.
I don't like it and wish it wasn't used, but it's another case of "can't fight city hall, county government, etc."
August 11, 2019, 10:23 PM
Orguss
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Originally posted by Jimbo54: A number of years ago the county completely repaved the road that runs along our property. That project lasted most of the summer. About a year and a half later I wake up to heavy equipment tearing up the road again. WTF!!! Turns out that they decided to replace both the sewer and water lines. Nobody thought to do it all at one time? Somebodies ass should have been fired but I'm sure that never happened.
Jim
As sure as the sun rises in the east, water and sewer repairs will always come soon after a road has been paved. It's one of those imutable laws of the universe.
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August 11, 2019, 10:28 PM
egregore
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"The road was in need of repair" was the response I got. It wasn't in need of repair. There were no potholes, no nothing. I ride or drive on this road every day, sometimes multiple times. No issues.
August 12, 2019, 08:46 AM
joatmonv
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Originally posted by egregore:
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"The road was in need of repair" was the response I got. It wasn't in need of repair. There were no potholes, no nothing. I ride or drive on this road every day, sometimes multiple times. No issues.
Now that's good. There's a small piece of everyone that would like to do that I think.
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August 12, 2019, 10:01 AM
bendable
they don't spend money on round about's or traffic calming barriers in Illinois, they just do not fix the pot holes or expansion joints, you don't dare go over 25 m.p.h. for fear of damaging your vehicle
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August 12, 2019, 04:40 PM
joatmonv
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Originally posted by bendable: they don't spend money on round about's or traffic calming barriers in Illinois, they just do not fix the pot holes or expansion joints, you don't dare go over 25 m.p.h. for fear of damaging your vehicle
Sounds a lot like the Detroit area. Horrible when I was there.
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August 12, 2019, 05:33 PM
rtquig
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Originally posted by Jimbo54: A number of years ago the county completely repaved the road that runs along our property. That project lasted most of the summer. About a year and a half later I wake up to heavy equipment tearing up the road again. WTF!!! Turns out that they decided to replace both the sewer and water lines. Nobody thought to do it all at one time? Somebodies ass should have been fired but I'm sure that never happened.
Jim
We have a 3 year moratorium on opening a new paved road up with the exception of an emergency repair. If it is opened, it had to be repaired with infared. If the county is doing the paving they will ask a delegate from the town to show up so their is no conflict or planned work on the road.
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August 12, 2019, 05:54 PM
egregore
Do you have to have vehicle safety inspections? If so, they're barking up the wrong tree. Instead of worrying about your vehicle being road-worthy, they should think about whether the road is vehicle-worthy.
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Now that's good. There's a small piece of everyone that would like to do that I think. ( In reference to the clip from Falling Down)
That is what made that movie so good, IMO.
August 12, 2019, 06:19 PM
Excam_Man
They chip and seal here too... no way around it, IT SUCKS!!!
August 12, 2019, 06:19 PM
joatmonv
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Originally posted by egregore: Do you have to have vehicle safety inspections? If so, they're barking up the wrong tree. Instead of worrying about your vehicle being road-worthy, they should think about whether the road is vehicle-worthy.
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Now that's good. There's a small piece of everyone that would like to do that I think. ( In reference to the clip from Falling Down)
That is what made that movie so good, IMO.
No vehicle inspections in Ohio. Utah had them when I lived there but that's been 8 years ago. Not sure now.
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August 12, 2019, 08:03 PM
maxxpower
We have the horrible chip sealing here in Wisconsin too.
Maybe the chip sealing isn't that bad when its properly done or when its in a high traffic area where it gets packed down but in our rural subdivision it gets stuck on your tires and you track it in your garage and on your concrete driveway.
I cant believe they would cover a freshly paved road with that crap....
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August 13, 2019, 03:34 AM
Elk Hunter
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That would have been efficient and a good use of taxpayer money. Instead, they will keep on spending it the way they want, efficiency be damned. They'll also do it at the most inopportune time too.
I had 3 uncles in the paving business many years ago. The one with the largest company won a contract to resurface about a mile and a half of road which was the busiest in town. He had it all done except the finish coat and bad weather swept in including days of virtually non-stop rain. The "city fathers" being the idiots they were demanded that he put down the finish coat, and "right now". He explained that laying asphalt in the rain was not a good idea that it would not stick. They DEMANDED again, so he did it. Few months later they were pissing their britches about the pot holes and loose asphalt coated gravel.
They demanded he do it over at his expense, he showed them the contract, and statement from a state level engineer, and his lawyer.
So, he tore it all up, re-did it, and got paid for it. The elected cit officials were voted out at the next election. But then, that was about 60 years ago.
Here in the Manassas region we have some shitty roads and all they do is come along and dump a pile of cold patch on it. and drive on. Leaves a very nice "hump" which does wonders for wheel alignment.
Elk
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