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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I would be skeptical of health issues.

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
Don’t know about elsewhere, but APS can, in fact, shut down power to your house if you stupidly signed up to get a few dollars off a month in exchange for letting them do that, and it is done by the so called smart meters.

I see nothing about that on their website . Show me .

I had a smart meter added to my home something like 5(?) years ago. Zero issues that I can see.

I’m not on expert when it comes to EMR, but I think you would need something that outputs some serious EMR to start seeing negative health effects. Just my personal opinion of course.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Power company showed up and changed out the meter to a "smart" meter. I can opt out for 20 dollars extra monthly. Any feedback on these ? Some sites claiming all kinds of negative health effects

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Originally posted by drill sgt:

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Originally posted by selogic:
Define " throttle back " as it applies to this situation .

^^^^^ Limiting how much power allowed thru the meter causing the items trying to do work with less electricity causing equipment to overheat and possible failure.... ....... drill sgt.

No, they don't do that

They'd have lawsuits up the backside if they did that.

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Originally posted by radioman:

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Some sites claiming all kinds of negative health effects

What sites? and what negative health effects?

Probably the same kinds of sites that promote WiFi as being bad for you.

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
Don’t know about elsewhere, but APS can, in fact, shut down power to your house if ...

Shut down: Maybe. Throttle: No.

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Originally posted by Gibb:
Many new appliances (Heat Pumps, Water Heaters, Washer/Dryers) have the ability to hook up to these "smart Meters" ...

Are you certain this is a reality? I know that's part of The Plan.

I spent 40 yrs in the business and I never saw a " Smart Meter " that was capable of interrupting a 200 amp service all by itself . If it exists , I would be interested in seeing it .

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Originally posted by selogic:
I spent 40 yrs in the business and I never saw a " Smart Meter " that was capable of interrupting a 200 amp service all by itself . If it exists , I would be interested in seeing it .

I don't know if they can, but, at least with our electrical service you can get a separate meter for your A/C that offers you a reduced rate, but, allows them to interrupt your service if the load on the grid becomes too great.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by selogic:
I spent 40 yrs in the business and I never saw a " Smart Meter " that was capable of interrupting a 200 amp service all by itself . If it exists , I would be interested in seeing it .

I don't know if they can, but, at least with our electrical service you can get a separate meter for your A/C that offers you a reduced rate, but, allows them to interrupt your service if the load on the grid becomes too great.

I have that on my units .It's not really a meter , but it looks like one . I get a credit every month for allowing them to install the device . I couldn't tell you if they ever utilized it .

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

You're more likely to die from contrails.

I saw some contrails yesterday. Am I doomed?

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

You're more likely to die from contrails.

I saw some contrails yesterday. Am I doomed?

Yep , but it'll take a while . Forty years or so ..

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by radioman:

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Some sites claiming all kinds of negative health effects

What sites? and what negative health effects?

Various cancers, infertility, palpitations, headaches, tinnitus, etc.... The claims are that the RF radiation they put out is so extreme that we're all going to die.

I have an RF detector/meter and mine (in a rural area where one would think it would need a strong signal to get out) barely even registers. Additionally, I pick no RF noise from it on my Ham antenna.

It's a non-issue. You're more likely to die from contrails.

Oh, yes, the fear of RF. Agreed it's not an issue.

As long as you don't get one of the older Sensus brand meters that FREAKING CATCH FIRE then you should be ok in terms of health effects .


Portland General Electric announced Wednesday that it has begun a recall on 70,000 residential meters after tests showed meters not performing optimally and, in some cases, catching fire. The meters affected are primarily installed at rental properties and contain a specific technology that allows the meter to be turned on and off remotely. They were installed between 2010 and 2012, the company said. The other 785,000 meters located at businesses and most other residences are different and do not suffer the same flaws. Customers whose meters are affected have all been mailed letters, PGE officials said. Those letters were sent out Wednesday. Approximately 1,300 of the affected meters are in the Salem area. Another 1,900 are located in Woodburn.

Bill Nicholson, senior vice president of customer service, transmission and distribution, said the company began internally testing the meters after learning of three small meter fires that had occurred. The results of the testing confirmed that, in rare circumstances, those meters could catch fire.

"Once we saw that, we wanted to take this action out of an abundance of caution to make sure we didn't experience that," Nicholson said. "This risk is extremely low, but it's still unacceptable to us. Our commitment is to our customers and to safety."

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Originally posted by selogic:
I spent 40 yrs in the business and I never saw a " Smart Meter " that was capable of interrupting a 200 amp service all by itself . If it exists , I would be interested in seeing it .

Yes, such meters do exist. This is a common feature for smart meters these days.

I know switching 200 amps seems impossible in a smallish residential size meter since it seems like the contacts would need to be large, but honest, it is being done.

Not sure if this link directly to the data sheet will work, but try here: (this is the model of meter on my house )
https://sensus.webdamdb.com/bp...der/1680167/14376038

or go here and click on data sheet: https://sensus.com/icona/ (residential meter)

then scroll down and look for this:

Well that's interesting . I see it's an optional feature .

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Looks like it is remote disconnect and a monitoring device

They have had the ability to shut down pieces of equipment for yrs. and have used said equipment for yrs. Air conditioning and electric water heaters being the two they normally target.
But they are NOT throttling or limiting your power consumption. That would lead to all kinds of voltage issues.

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:
They have had the ability to shut down pieces of equipment for yrs. and have used said equipment for yrs. Air conditioning and electric water heaters being the two they normally target.
But they are NOT throttling or limiting your power consumption. That would lead to all kinds of voltage issues.

I've had the Load Management Device on my AC units for nearly 30 yrs . It's a separate device that mounts above your AC disconnect for the outside unit .It looks like a meter but it interrupts the thermostat ckt going to the compressor contactor .

I think some of you guys are confusing smart thermostats with smart meters when you’re talking about the power company doing stuff remotely.

Around here all they are is a digital readout instead of analog and the power company can read them remotely. Zero issues on my end, and I like not having to deal with estimated readings like my electric company liked doing.

PASig- If you were a MetEd customer then I expect a huge improvement in that department.

Rampant estimated bills and the subsequent billing disputes was a major argument for the issuing of smart meters in PA.

People need let the smart meter issue go and instead spend their conspiratorial bandwidth on election shenanigans or the political militarization or federal agencies in my opinion.

DTE Energy went to charging more for electricity used during peak hours from 3 to 7PM Monday through Friday so there is another reason for smart meters at least in Southeast Michigan.

When we added central air to our old house in the 90’s DTE as pushing the interruptible A/C by offering a discount for signing up. A friend in the HVAC business did the install in his spare time so the job took a couple of weeks. During that time frame DTE had a system failure and where the interruption was supposed to be fifteen minutes every couple hours it got shut down for several hours. With two big dogs in the house that suddenly got a big nope from me.

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
DTE Energy went to charging more for electricity used during peak hours from 3 to 7PM Monday through Friday so there is another reason for smart meters at least in Southeast Michigan.

When we added central air to our old house in the 90’s DTE as pushing the interruptible A/C by offering a discount for signing up. A friend in the HVAC business did the install in his spare time so the job took a couple of weeks. During that time frame DTE had a system failure and where the interruption was supposed to be fifteen minutes every couple hours it got shut down for several hours. With two big dogs in the house that suddenly got a big nope from me.

No issues here . And it's easy to bypass .