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In any case see another physician. Maybe they are a dime a dozen in AZ, but good ones here are scarce. I waited one year for an opening and have been with him for 11 years.
I doubt this is about money and I wonder whether the doc knew what you had been through with his staff. Good luck
 
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This is intended as a joke. Doctor we have a subpoena duces tecum for you. Sounds serious we will have our process server deliver it some time next week. Might want to lawyer up!
 
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PSA is not as important any more, but it would be a good idea to see a urologist. I do question your assuming this is a money maker for the doc. Needless surgeries maybe. I would find another PCP with a good office staff. My doc is great and his office staff superb. I spent time looking and talking to other physicians.


PSA is well within the normal range and if he doesn't know it, he shouldn't be a Doctor. If he does know it, he's looking for a cash cow. And putting someone with cholesterol numbers like mine on a statin is definitely cash cow country.

Here's one more for the thread. The Doctor I fired prior to this one was a dentist.

Had a root canal that went sideways and so I needed a bridge. This was in the days just before implants.

Got a bridge done by a doctor. A few days later I was eating a salad with croutons and a tooth sudden popped out of the bridge. Swallowed before I knew it happened. Went to the dentist who said whether I knew it or not, the crouton was extremely hard or it wouldn't have happened.

Got the bridge fixed, a week or so later I was eating a piece of french bread and another tooth popped out and was gone. Went to Dentist and he said the same as before, that obviously the french bread was hard as a rock. I said it wasn't, but he was adamant. Got it fixed again.

Third tooth popped out while eating an ice cream cone. Told the Dentist what happened and he said it was my fault, his lab was great.

Went to another dentist and got the whole thing redone and it's been great ever since. I can eat french bread, croutons, macadamia nuts, cashews, almonds, anything at all and the teeth remain in place. New Dentist said his lab said the bridge was very poorly made. Fired first Dentist.
 
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PSA trends are what is important. I assume he did a DRE because PSA is useless without it. Tell me how checking statins is a big money maker? Your average PCP has 2500 patients so I doubt you will be missed.
 
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PSA trends are what is important. I assume he did a DRE because PSA is useless without it. Tell me how checking statins is a big money maker? Your average PCP has 2500 patients so I doubt you will be missed.


Moving .2 points is NOT a trend, it's an anomaly which can easily be brought on by having sex within 24 hours of the PSA test and that was exactly what happened. I've found I can duplicate this anytime I take a PSA test. He did no DRE test.

And how is checking statins a money maker? Because you have to go in for an office visit and check monthly with the guy I fired. I asked and that's what I was told. I'm aware that the standard is 3 months at first, then 12 months and apparently he isn't.

And then let's discuss the downside of taking statins, but first think about the fact that while my LDL is 131, muy HDL is 99. That's the important number and statins are unnecessary for someone with those numbers.

Back to the downside of taking something I don't even need:
muscle pain
liver damage
increased blood sugar or type 2 diabetes
neurological side effects

And the upside? None.
 
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And how is checking statins a money maker? Because you have to go in for an office visit and check monthly with the guy I fired. I asked and that's what I was told. I'm aware that the standard is 3 months at first, then 12 months and apparently he isn't

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah after your third MI that makes sense. It is a TREND over several years with a PSA. You are a medicare patient so I doubt he makes more than 75 bucks a visit.
Why dont you ask the competent dentist for a referral?
 
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After a considerable amount of weight loss,
My three doctors are actually interacting with me now.

I guess when you act/ look like you don't care ,
Your health care professionals start not to care also.

No kidding
They are showing interest.
It's kind of a good feeling





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Whoever called these the “golden years” had a hell of a sense of humor.
 
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This just popped-up in my Twitter feed. I thought it apropos to the discussion Smile


There's an awful lot of truth in that picture.


I don't even want to imagine how my health may have changed for the worse over the last 3 years if I hadn't already made decisions regarding my food. I used to think the best benefit of my job was the health coverage. I now believe I could manage with a direct primary care plan. "Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels"


Ensigmatic, I've seen that meme on Twitter and IG as well.


 
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1. My LDL is 131. However, my HDL is 99 and my triglycerides is 60.

You're my hero (and I, too, would tell your doc to take a long walk off a short pier).


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About PSA values-

I’m a geezer and until recently I did not know any of the below potential factors which could raise your PSA test values (As well as any medical procedure(s) in your piping). Mileage may vary.

Sex

Ejaculation can cause the prostate to transiently leak more PSA into the blood for about one to two days. Also, having “too much” sex puts stress on the prostate gland causing irritation which can elevate the value. (Some docs recommend abstaining for 72 hours prior to PSA test).

Prostate stimulation

Prostatic massage or a digital rectal exam may cause minor PSA elevations.

Riding a bicycle or motorcycle

Hard or long distance bicycle or motorcycle riding can apply pressure on the perineum which transfers to the prostrate, and may cause temporary spikes in tPSA. You may have to abstain from riding at least 24 hours before having your PSA tested. (My doc told me to avoid the bike or motorcycle riding for greater than 48 hours+ before a PSA test.
It cost me another PSA test to learn this).

Heredity

Some men possess genes that predisposition them to a naturally higher baseline PSA than can be 10% above what is considered “normal”. Only genetic testing can identify whether you have this gene.
 
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So what" sthe big flap about? Two things.

1. My LDL is 131. However, my HDL is 99 and my triglycerides is 60. The Doctor feels this is an emergency and I must get on Statins immediately.

2. My PSA went from 3.5 the previous year to 3.7 and he wants me to schedule a biopsy immediately to have it checked as it's urgent.

To all of this I said bullshit. When the Doctor finally came in at 9:30AM I verified that these two things were the "emergency" with him.

I then told him that he was nuts and to not even think of billing me for this office visit and that he was fired.


I would have fired him/her too. Eek
 
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guess when you act/ look like you don't care ,
Your health care professionals start not to care also.

No kidding
They are showing interest.
It's kind of a good feeling

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is what happens. Good post
 
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Three friends in three days.

One has cancer
One died
One diagnosed with dementia.

I am a little dizzy, disoriented





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've found that a lot of doctors are essentially selling fear to ensure that they'll have a lot of cash cows coming through their revolving door.

The last Doctor I fired was doing exactly that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you be more specific? Never had that happen to me over many years. Seems rather cynical if I say so.


Sure.

Went for my annual physical complete with blood work and EKG. As usual, they said they'd call me when the test results came in.

Got a phone call at 4:20PM on Friday. Highly excited female calling from the Doctor's office stating they'd just got my test results in and there was a "major problem". I said I'd be right down to their office. She said no, we're closing in a couple of minutes so you have to come in Monday, and it's urgent so we'll give you the first appointment of the day.

I said okay, I'll take the appointment, but what's the problem? I don't want to worry about this all weekend. She said she wasn't allowed to tell me that. I said okay, put the Doctor on the horn and he can tell me. She said he's gone until Monday.

So I spent Saturday and Sunday getting my affairs in order, making sure the wife knew the safe combination, where the will and power of attorney was along with my other Medical paperwork was.

I get into the doctor's office 15 minutes early for the appointment after having slept perhaps 4 hours in the last 2 days because of this whole thing. They let me into the examination room and I wait...and wait...and wait.

Finally 9:AM arrives and I've been in the room an hour, still no Doctor. The nurse comes in with a clip board. She says the Doctor's running late but be sure and stay because this is highly important. I said "are those my test results on the clipboard?" and she said yes. I said give them to me and she said she couldn't do that so I grabbed them and started going through the test results. Fortunately I know how to read these things.

So what" sthe big flap about? Two things.

1. My LDL is 131. However, my HDL is 99 and my triglycerides is 60. The Doctor feels this is an emergency and I must get on Statins immediately.

2. My PSA went from 3.5 the previous year to 3.7 and he wants me to schedule a biopsy immediately to have it checked as it's urgent.

To all of this I said bullshit. When the Doctor finally came in at 9:30AM I verified that these two things were the "emergency" with him.

I then told him that he was nuts and to not even think of billing me for this office visit and that he was fired.

This whole thing was obviously set up to get me to come in on a regular basis for more "checkups" and "statin adjustments" and so on, thus increasing the revenue stream.

I've discussed this with my two weekly shooting groups and found a number of others in the groups who have encountered similar things. Most of them see it for what it is but a couple of them are so scared of getting something that they go along with it while admitting they know they're getting taken by the Doctors. Two of them have wives who are getting taken but the wives insist on getting all the tests, drugs and operations that are offered and the husbands go along with it to keep peace in the house.



been there,
was put on a statin years ago cause I needed it, according to the Doc,

who I trusted,

so I got the lowest dose Statin, and after 6 months I hurt, from my waist down,

so I started with fish oil, 2-4 a day, and dropped the statin,

no one at the Doc's office cared, and my numbers were still in line, as if I were taking the statin,



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That is too bad. The doctors here are so busy that it is hard to get in to see them. If he was that concerned about your PSA he should have referred you to a urologist.
BTW it is a lot more than Cholesterol numbers. Family history, whether you smoke, your diet, alcohol intake etc.
Again I have never had that sort of treament by a doctor's office. Get established with someone else.
 
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My doctor is five years younger than me and still working at 75. He looks five years older than me but he has always treated me fairly with him being a workaholic.

I have studied health for forty years and have sent him several books. He always finds a way to fit you in if you have an emergency.

You can learn a lot by subscribing to the Life Extension magazine:

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine

They offer products that are anti-aging and articles that inform you on how to extend your life.


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In the checkout line at the hardware store with my 12 year old son a few days ago:

Son: “You ok, Dad?”

Me: “I’m fine, my toes just hurt. That’s what happens when you start getting old, you start complaining about all the parts the hurt and don’t work anymore.”

Son: "Is that why you get headaches ‘cause your brain doesn’t work anymore?”

Whole line starts laughing.
 
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PSA is not as important any more, but it would be a good idea to see a urologist.


In the absence of symptoms, why in the heck would a person see a urologist for a 3.8 PSA. It is a terrible screening test and leads to unneeded biopsies at a ratio of approximately 50:1 over useful diagnosis. That is a genuine harm that must be considered. The whole concept of early diagnosis is perverted in the case of prostate cancer as statistics like 5 year survival are heavily skewed by lead time bias.
 
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Riding a bicycle or motorcycle

Hard or long distance bicycle or motorcycle riding can apply pressure on the perineum which transfers to the prostrate, and may cause temporary spikes in tPSA. You may have to abstain from riding at least 24 hours before having your PSA tested. (My doc told me to avoid the bike or motorcycle riding for greater than 48 hours+ before a PSA test.
It cost me another PSA test to learn this).


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