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What’s an “LCI”?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Welcome to the forum.

What’s an “LCI”?

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I didn't know Sigs had those

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I’m curious about the California requirement. Is a hole in the top of the barrel hood extension to see if a round is chambered not sufficient?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I’m curious about the California requirement. Is a hole in the top of the barrel hood extension to see if a round is chambered not sufficient?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I've seen the indicator that sticks up, but wasn't sure what the California requirements were.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I've seen the indicator that sticks up, but wasn't sure what the California requirements were.

Currently, to add a new model pistol (or an existing model that has any significant modifications, i.e. M&P 2.0), the model must have a raised Loaded Chamber Indicator (LCI) as pictured above, a magazine disconnect safety (so the gun won’t fire without a magazine inserted), must implement micro stamping of the fired cartridges per the spec (I believe it is a unique to the specific pistol mark on the fired casing in at least two places. I *think* that the firing pin won’t cut it.). There may be additional requirements for what the pistol has to have, but I don’t know of them. Once the manufacturer comes up with such a pistol which has all the warts required to be eligible to be added to the CA roster of not unsafe handguns (or whatever they actually call it), the manufacturer must then send two production copies of said pistol to a CA certified lab for testing. The pistols must fire 2,500 rounds without any malfunctions that are not ammunition related, then must pass some number of drop tests (really stretching here, but I think it is from 4’ onto a concrete floor) with primed casings chambered. If the pistol gets through all that, then the manufacturer can pay the state $5,000 per year to include the pistol on the roster.

As long as a manufacturer continues to pay the $5,000 per year for a pistol that was accepted onto the roster, it can stay on, even through it may not have all the warts that have been added to the requirement list once it was added. This is why gen 3 Glocks are on the roster and are available in CA to non-LEOs (LEOs are exempt from the roster and can buy whatever they want) and gen 4 and gen 5 are not and likely never will be.

The roster is just another attempt by the GDCs to prevent CA residents from exercising their 2A rights.

ETA: Cosmetic differences are enough to create another model, requiring another couple of pistols for testing and another $5,000 per year in fees to the state. Ie, a p229r BSS (black) and a p229r two tone are two different models. Likewise a different caliber is a different model and requires another round of testing and another fee to the state. For instance, the SP2022 in .40 S&W and the SP2022 in 9mm are two different entries. In one small bright spot, they determined that having contrast sight vs night sights does not create a new model.