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Or do you have to ream them anyhow?

I'll mostly be using it on 5.56 military brass, maybe a little 7.62 NATO.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...ocket-swager-combo-2


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Well, it works just fine for me on 5.56. A small amount of lube helps release the primer hole plunger from the brass in my set-up(which is not an RCBS branded reloader press but rather a single stage other brand, to which I adapted it). I have done thousands of rounds thusly. My equivalent tech is to use a carbide 45 degree tapered cutter in a hand drill, with a careful very brief touch, which also works just fine.

YMMV.
 
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It works with a little effort.


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I just found the answer.

Reamers, using spart plug boot pliers to hold the cases. I've used reamers for years but fumbled around with tape-wrapped pliers and of course my fingers, but the tip from another fellow on anoyher forum is genius. I picked up a set for $6.99 at NAPA 5 minutes ago.


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Year the RCBS dies work, the cup "ejector" doesn't, on all presses.

Use of a reamer sounds like a good way to mess up a pocket. The only part we are concerned with while swaging is the entrance of the pocket. So it you wanted to get rid of a crimp a counter sink is a better choice.



Than a reamer.

 
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After years of mucking around with reamers and their like, I finally gave in and bought a Dillon Super Swage.
I'm glad that I did. I get perfectly formed primer pockets every time without the aggravation, sore fingers and metal chips.
 
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I've always heard great things about the Dillion swager, for a bit more $$.
 
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Year the RCBS dies work, the cup "ejector" doesn't, on all presses.

Use of a reamer sounds like a good way to mess up a pocket. The only part we are concerned with while swaging is the entrance of the pocket. So it you wanted to get rid of a crimp a counter sink is a better choice.



Than a reamer.



That's actually what I use, but even with the cs it gets tiring to hold them.

Also, w/ the cs you have to careful the point doesn't bottom out in the pocket or touch the fp hole. The RCBS just happens to fit perfectly.

I use a RCBS case chamfer tool. It is bigger so is less tiring to hold than the handheld reamers, the cutting edges don't sink in too far and go far enough to actually do it perfectly on 5.56 cases. Only down side is it can't be chucked into a hand drill.

With the pliers I might go back to the actual reamer in a hand drill since the onerous part will be taken care of.

The reamer pix here aren't primer pocket reamers. They have a short cutting area and positive stop.


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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
Or do you have to ream them anyhow?

I'll mostly be using it on 5.56 military brass, maybe a little 7.62 NATO.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...ocket-swager-combo-2


Yes it works but the CH4 is a better unit. I use the one for my LNL-AP. You have to be very careful with the chamfer/counter sinks as not to remove too much material.


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Don't like reaming. The Dillon Super Swage is a great swaging tool. My RCBS combo swager has swaged probably 10,000 plus cases in .223 and a few thousand 30-06 cases and some 9MM crimped primer pockets. I did bend the small rod slightly but was able to straighten it. My method is not recommended but works for me. I don't slowly operate the press handle and insert the swage slowly into the pocket. In my RCBS RockChucker, I raise the ram until the case inside bottom is near the rod and pop the handle down with some force. I don't adjust anything. I can feel a heavy crimp or a light crimp. If the crimp feels tight I pop the handle down the second time. Works on all cases and stab crimped primer pockets or regular crimps. I adjust the crimp die down until the press handle is horizontal at the point of contact. I'm not using a lot of force or leverage. Otherwise just follow directions. I have tandem presses and size on one press and move the case to the other press and swage. Faster than reaming, as fast as the RCBS or Dillon tool, and for me does a fine job. Main reason I don't like reaming is holding the case and my experience with reamers is it follows the path of least resistance. Many crimps are not even with heavier amounts or displaced brass on one side of the pocket. The reamer will start off center and cut more on the side of least resistance.
 
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I just bumped a review of the Dillon by exx.
 
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Originally posted by 3/4Flap

The reamer pix here aren't primer pocket reamers. They have a short cutting area and positive stop.


Sorry I was thinking in the machinist sense of the word reamer to widen an existing hole.

The debur type multiple flute cutters are "safe" on the vertical pilots so they don't cut the ID of the pocket, just the mouth.

Like the ones in the lower left of this photo. They work great if you only have a hand full, they get old really quick though.

 
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If you are doing a lot of swaging then you should look at the Dillon Super Swage. The process is faster, which to me means more time to do other things.




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If you are doing a lot of swaging then you should look at the Dillon Super Swage. The process is faster, which to me means more time to do other things.


That's the reason I like the 1050's so much. Swaging is just part of the normal process, no longer an extra step.
 
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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
Or do you have to ream them anyhow?

I'll mostly be using it on 5.56 military brass, maybe a little 7.62 NATO.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...ocket-swager-combo-2


I bought one of those and could not use it without contacting RCBS and ordering a special part so I could use it on my single stage Lee press. Once I got the part, I found it impossible to use. Worst reloading tool I’ve bought so far.

What I did was to buy “RCBS Trim Mate Case Prep Center Straight Cone Military Crimp Remover Small” that comes with the RCBS Trim Mate Case Prep Center. Chuck it up in a drill and have at it. Real easy for this old fart to use. 5.56 is what I was doing.

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...-crimp-remover-small


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