I am staying at a Holiday Inn in Wichita KS this week and they have one of those stupid no CCW signs on every entrance. I practically live out of Holiday Inns lately traveling for work and have not seen any indication that Holiday Inn is anti-gun or anti-ccw. Any one know any different?

I didn't know they could do that if you are renting a room. Maybe it's just my state.

It's private property, so they have the right to enforce a no CCW atmosphere.

I just checked their website and saw nothing there that mentions it. It might be nice to know before you make reservations. Send them a message before you stay there again.

Maybe it's a regional thing...

Probably just that Holiday Inn. I'm staying in a Holiday Inn in November that has specific discounts for hunters.....and their gear. Don't know how KS is, but in Texas the signs have to be VERY specific. I agree with charlie12, if you rent it, it's your place of residence. Just try not to shoot anyone until you get outside the lobby!

I checked with the girls at the front desk. She called another Holiday Inn in the area and the person she talked to said "all Holiday Inns in Kansas are no CCW".

Do you have to stay at Holiday Inn? The Best Western at 6815 W. Kellogg isn't posted, I'm told that it's a nice hotel.

Don't bother with Marriott hotels, either, they're also posted.

Be patient with us Kanzuns, we haven't had CCH very long and things are improving, even in Wichita.

Yeah it is not at all Holiday Inns. I travel A LOT and mostly stay at Holiday Inns all over, except Kansas, and I have never seen a no ccw sign at one. They are a franchise so an owner of a specific hotel could make that decision himself.

most of them are independently owned franchises.

same with a lot of other big hotel chains and the policies are set by individual owners.

Tell the manager because of their no CWP policy you will be staying at the XXXX Inn across the street, and that you hope they don't get robbed.

I think in most states a hotel can't ban you from have a firearm if you are a guest at the hotel. I think it falls under the idea that the hotel room is your residence, even if it's only temporary.

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Originally posted by Stewie Griffin:
I think in most states a hotel can't ban you from have a firearm if you are a guest at the hotel. I think it falls under the idea that the hotel room is your residence, even if it's only temporary.

I would expect that in most states, it's actually quite the opposite. True, some states have specific statutes that convey certain privileges to guests of hotels under the temporary residence theory, but that's the exception, not the rule.

In the absence of such specific legislation, private property is private property.

-Rob

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I would expect that in most states, it's actually quite the opposite. True, some states have specific statutes that convey certain privileges to guests of hotels under the temporary residence theory, but that's the exception, not the rule.

In the absence of such specific legislation, private property is private property.

Good to know. I don't stay in hotels very often but when I was in Ohio they had such statute as part of their castle doctrine law.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by Stewie Griffin:
I think in most states a hotel can't ban you from have a firearm if you are a guest at the hotel. I think it falls under the idea that the hotel room is your residence, even if it's only temporary.

I would expect that in most states, it's actually quite the opposite. True, some states have specific statutes that convey certain privileges to guests of hotels under the temporary residence theory, but that's the exception, not the rule.

In the absence of such specific legislation, private property is private property.

-Rob

Utah just passed a law preventing employers and landlords from banning firearms in their lots. I don't know if hotels fall under the rental provisions. As a landlord, I'm grateful for this law because it gives me cover. I've never had a "no gun" policy on my properties, and now that I can't forbid it, it makes me harder to successfully sue.

I think we may see a trend in more places to post "No CCW" as they are "rallied" into belief that it is a good thing.

Like global warming, carbon footprints and all the other feel good nonsense.

They gotta feel as if they are in control of something when they are out of control.

None of the Holiday Inns I have stayed at have been posted. If I found myself in one, I'd ignore the sign, but I also fill my cooler at the ice machine and take towels from the pool.

Hotels are probably more likely to post than other businesses because of liability and insurance purposes - they can argue that they took minimum measures to prevent violence and crime, though of course the problem isn't going to be the legal ccw holder, its going to be the guys using a room for a drug buy or an escort service robbing clients.

If I'm traveling on the job, I never use LE ID when checking in - I conned another county department into giving me "clean" ID that shows that I'm a government employee, but makes no mention of any LE connection.

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Originally posted by mrw:
I am staying at a Holiday Inn in Wichita KS this week and they have one of those stupid no CCW signs on every entrance. I practically live out of Holiday Inns lately traveling for work and have not seen any indication that Holiday Inn is anti-gun or anti-ccw. Any one know any different?

Since I don't have a working knowledge of the Kansas CCW statute(s) I can't say for sure what your options are. But in a general sense, if the Kansas CCW statute(s) don't convey a specific ban on hotel properties via adherence to some sort of signage like in other states, I'd ignor the signs and carry in the hotel. Here in Florida, private property owners can advertise no CCW on their property but it is meaningless unless you get caught. And even then the Florida CCW statute only affords them the recourse of asking you to leave. Obviously if you refuse their request to leave, then you could be arrested for crimial trespass.

When I travel in a state the supports CCW, I carry concealed properly according to the statutues and go about my business.

Stay somewhere else or do what you normally do... keep it concealed...

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Stay somewhere else or do what you normally do... keep it concealed...

Indeed. Its not like there is a shortage of hotel rooms these days.

QUOTE]Since I don't have a working knowledge of the Kansas CCW statute(s) I can't say for sure what your options are. But in a general sense, if the Kansas CCW statute(s) don't convey a specific ban on hotel properties via adherence to some sort of signage like in other states, I'd ignor the signs and carry in the hotel. Here in Florida, private property owners can advertise no CCW on their property but it is meaningless unless you get caught. And even then the Florida CCW statute only affords them the recourse of asking you to leave. Obviously if you refuse their request to leave, then you could be arrested for crimial trespass.

When I travel in a state the supports CCW, I carry concealed properly according to the statutues and go about my business.[/QUOTE]

If the State has no statutes addressing posting requirements how can you be expected to see their particular signage? You don't know what to look for and even if it is right in your face you can say I was not looking for it, why should I? In that case I agree you should be safe to ignore the no CCW sign and be prepared to leave if you are discovered and asked to leave.

The problem I see with later telling the hotel/motel you object to their policy is that now there is a record that you are aware of their policy. Then if for some reason you stayed in their hotel and were discovered carrying, maybe, just maybe they could make a trespass case against you.

As long as there is no specific posting provision in the law, you can claim ignorance of their policy and the burden of proof that you knew of their policy is on them.

What about hunters who come into town and stay?

Are they supposed to leave their shotguns outside?

I would imagine the hotel mgr. would be unhappy to loose business like that, especially in Wichita, what with all the great hunting in the area.