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Glad we don't have to inform in most states down south.
Been pulled over several times for various reasons, no muss no fuss.
Now if they ask about weapons or have me exit the vehicle, I would inform at that point.
But not for a simple traffic stop where I'm belted into the drivers seat and is impossible to see unless the LEO has xray vision. It just doesn't need to be injected into a stop and state law pretty much backs that up by not requiring it.
I hardly get stopped, over 10 years now. I agree, start with some ‘permit’ verbiage, no ‘gun’ talk.
I just don’t see the reason for cops working the CC holder through disarmament hoops. 1st off, one has to assume any individual is armed. With hands in sight and location of CC weapon known, I doubt the holder will outdraw the officer. That gun is best in it’s holster, not fiddled with while one is a bit tense.
Recent stats show the average CCW holder is 7 times more law abiding than a law enforcement officer. Knowing the stop is a CCW holder should put the officer at a ‘slight’ ease.
How man bad guys tell the LEO they're carrying?? Sure, some people get upset when the get a ticket, but the disarming still seems excessive.
Unless required, I never tell.
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I also agree the frisk and removal were over the line. I’ve been stopped twice while carrying and advised the officer immediately. Both officers were courteous and never had me step out of the vehicle or remove anything. On the first stop as soon as a told the officer that I had a CCW and was carrying he said “I thought so” and immediately let me go with a warning. The second stop the deputy asked what kind of pistol I carried, he also issued a warning.
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Did he clear the chambered round and just toss it in the trunk too?
And how are these second-person disarming moves not sweeping the person, with a gun and holster perhaps unfamiliar to the jumpy disarmer?
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Pistol's slide was locked back when he put it in the trunk.
I was handed my 2 magazines first and informed that he loaded the chambered round back in the magazine.
As I've said, this was all about the neighborhood I was going through. High crime and heroin area.
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Was the trooper young?
FYI, in Ohio, the troopers give you 7 mph over and that's it. 7. We don't even start stopping cars till you hit 16 over. And you still might not get a ticket. That's assuming we even have time to check for speeders. We only make time to sit in school zones during school hours to check for speeders.
90% of my stops with permit holders and they aren't carrying and I chastise them on why they should carry. The 10% that are carrying do notify me as they are required and my usual question is Cool, what are you carrying? Or Ok, don't show me yours and I won't show you mine.
Unless I am arresting you for something (maybe a warrant) then I would never disarm you. There's no need to bring guns out into a situation that doesn't require it. I'm not the type to give all permit holders a pass, there's some shady people out there with permits. Just need to be diligent.
Before I approach a car, I've already ran the owner's info and looked at a photo. If an agency doesn't have computers in the car, at the very least the dispatcher should've advised the officer if he/she gave them the plate.
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He was young. I'm 50 and I'd say he was mid to upper 20's, maybe 30.
Chowser, being from N.E. Ohio, I know you've heard about Warren/Youngstown area.
Hell, the time I sold you that Glock and we met in Ravenna, I was armed. If I leave the house, it's on me.
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So, you chamber a round and don't replace that round in your mag?
I guess it also matters where you are. I’ve been pulled 3-4 times and the cops didn’t even care to look at my concealed license.
I understand LEOs have a tough job... but it would seem to me they would realize that if you meant to do them harm it would be way before you informed them you were carrying.
You are required to inform here in S.C. and it has been suggested to me when stopped to just hand them your CWP card along with your drivers license... that's how I do it.
It will depend on the issuing agency but Kalif is a must announce state. Failure to announce & if reported could cost you your ccw. Everything else the op noted is correct. Announce sooner than later. Hands on steering wheel & be polite. He or she is doing their job & they want to go home. Just hope you do NOT get the antigun LEO that abuses you for carrying, yes it happens. We are good guys & should be treated as good guys until proven we are not.
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I had a guy tbone me at an intersection a couple years ago. The guy then took off. When the city police came, I told the officer, that I was a chl holder and was carrying. He says no problem, where's the other guy?
I told him he went to the macdonalds on the next corner. He said, You let him, I said well I was not gonna shoot him. He just smiled.
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I practice a policy of "don't ask, don't tell" here in PA.
Have only been pulled over while armed once, and by a bored local cop as I was the only car coming through town at like 1:30 am after a very late movie and he probably thought he had an easy DUI.
He didn't ask and I didn't tell.
Ohio is a must notify state.
I've been stopped 5 times since I got my CHL (Concealed Handgun License), which means I've been stopped 5 times while armed, since I "never leave home without it."
Two gave me a ticket, three gave me a warning. NONE of them disarmed me, or even seemed concerned. Two of them actually thanked me for carrying, one of them after talking guns for few minutes.
Disarming someone to simply give them a ticket should literally be a crime. It's just an accident waiting to happen.
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I agree with everything you say! I will only add this : When stopped never use the word gun especially at night or any other time the police have doubled up. The officer that has covered the right side hears the word gun may just start shooting. This has actually happened! Like you said" hand over your lience, registration, and permit at the same time and don't speak until you are required to!
I'm an Ohio resident and CCW holder. You must have got a newbie trooper. I carry sometimes while riding my motorcycle and I've been pulled over for speeding. Kept my hands on the bars, immediately informed the officer of my permit and where I was wearing my weapon. To date, none of them have seemed the least bit concerned.
Sheriff's Deputies can be another matter, but I refuse to engage in roadside discussions of legalities with law enforcement period. Doesn't do any good.
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Same interaction I’ve had in Minnesota with local cops and highway patrol
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I have never disarmed someone legally carrying a firearm.
I have seen a couple folks do it and afterward ask them why they did. Never got a good answer. The less handling of the weapon the better. I also have never had a legally carrying person act weird or hinkey either that would cause me any concern.
If they were acting strange or overly nervous things may go differently but I have never experienced it.
I can’t say I’ll never do it based upon totality of the circumstances but I have been at it for awhile and have yet to do it.
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