I probably ruined it for everyone LOL. I noticed that I couldn't find one single sign around the ball park a few days ago...but I just couldn't help my self. I emailed them. They responded quote "Brian, thank you for your comment. We do have signs and brochures stating that our ballpark is weapon free, NO CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITTED IN THE BALLPARK, EVER!" So I responded "I looked everywhere and I didn't see one sign!!! But since you only allow the criminals to carry weapons (they don't respect signs) I don't plan on coming to progressive field again EVER!"

I know...I lack the tact to properly reason with people but sorry everyone. They are probably posting hundreds of signs now

Let me ask you a question. When you go to a ballgame don't they serve beer there? It's easy to take a stand against the Indians when they suck.
Oh, and it's not called Jacob's Field anymore either.

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Let me ask you a question. When you go to a ballgame don't they serve beer there? It's easy to take a stand against the Indians when they suck.
Oh, and it's not called Jacob's Field anymore either.

That was the first thing I thought of too. Anywhere alcohol is served is off limits. I don't think they don't have to post it.

Not to flame here, but not being allowed to carry where alcohol is served was one of the first, and most emphasized, points made in my CCW class.

But yes... I still catch myself referring to the Jake and the Gund.

All right I read Sec2923.126 (B)
(4) Any room or open air arena in which liquor is being dispensed in premises or open air arena for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code, if the licensee's carrying the concealed handgun is in violation of section 2923.121 of the Revised Code;

I didn't remember the "open air arena" part. Thanks for your insight.

So of course, you'll apologize to the Indians, right?
No offense Stew, but your e mail to the Indians made you sound foolish, which unfortunately reflects upon the rest of us.

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So of course, you'll apologize to the Indians, right?
No offense Stew, but your e mail to the Indians made you sound foolish, which unfortunately reflects upon the rest of us.

agreed

No I don't plan on apologizing. I feel that they should display signs. I don't understand why a liquor license would make a sign unneeded. Suppose I just crawled out from under a rock and didn't realize that they served alcohol at progressive field and walked in with my concealed weapon...oops. Or for that matter I've been to a few restaurants that I didn't expect that they would serve alcohol but they do. And to make matters worse some restaurants of a chain sell alcohol but others of the same chain don't sell alcohol. (just depends if they were the lucky one to get their liquor permit) So... I say they need signs.

So while I thank you for your input ...I'm afraid we're just going to disagree.

It is your responsibility to know the law. Don't try to change the subject. You ranted and raved about the Indians "no gun policy" that wasn't posted. We're talking about state law.

There's an old proverb, which I'm not sure exactly how it goes, it's something like...
Some men remain silent in fear that if they speak up they might appear foolish, while other men speak up and remove all doubt.
Have a nice day. PS, they sell alcohol at that building next door too, the one that used to be called the Gund. Oh and watch out for that big building next to Lake Erie, with the orange seats. Over there they throw the empty beer bottles, so you won't have to look for a sign.

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Originally posted by Hask12:
It is your responsibility to know the law. Don't try to change the subject. You ranted and raved about the Indians "no gun policy" that wasn't posted. We're talking about state law.

There's an old proverb, which I'm not sure exactly how it goes, it's something like...
Some men remain silent in fear that if they speak up they might appear foolish, while other men speak up and remove all doubt.
Have a nice day. PS, they sell alcohol at that building next door too, the one that used to be called the Gund. Oh and watch out for that big building next to Lake Erie, with the orange seats. Over there they throw the empty beer bottles, so you won't have to look for a sign.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

So which is it hask...do you like to have the last word. Or is sarcasm just another service that you offer. Either way after after strolling around this web site for a while a figured out that there are many knowledgable and helpful folks on this site and then there are people like you. Thanks.

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So which is it hask...do you like to have the last word. Or is sarcasm just another service that you offer. Either way after after strolling around this web site for a while a figured out that there are many knowledgable and helpful folks on this site and then there are people like you. Thanks.

I'm siding with hask on this. YOU are the one who looks less than knowledgeable. You come on here bitching and moaning because Progressive Field doesn't post no carry signs even though they don't have to. Then your argument is "what if I just crawled out from under a rock" - my response is you shouldn't be carrying. You're making yourself look like a stubborn ass and you're not going to win any friends on here with your attitude. 3 people have responded to your original post, we all disagreed with you. You're wrong - deal with it, because I'm guessing it happens to you a lot.

Hask12 is a very helpful contributor to this forum. I know more than once he has helped answer my questions. Asking questions and seeking knowledge is what drives a forum like this. Your CCW class should have taught you that carrying a weapon is all about discretion. Whenever entering a business or establishment, you must ask yourself if they might serve alcohol there. If that business holds public events, is a restaurant, or provides some type of entertainment then there is a VERY good chance that they do.

Wow, thanks Erikras. You see Stew, now I'm speechless.

I'm humbled. I apologize to the forum for the attitude and being hard headed. I will try to learn the laws better (that is why I am here). I will also send an apology email to the tribe as well. Thanks for your patience.

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I'm humbled. I apologize to the forum for the attitude and being hard headed. I will try to learn the laws better (that is why I am here). I will also send an apology email to the tribe as well. Thanks for your patience.

It takes guts to come back on here, swallow you're pride and admit you were wrong - Good for you.

I couldn't agree more. Welcome to the forum Stew.
Never be afraid to ask a question. We are all here to learn.

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Originally posted by Hask12:
Let me ask you a question. When you go to a ballgame don't they serve beer there? It's easy to take a stand against the Indians when they suck.
Oh, and it's not called Jacob's Field anymore either.

That was the first thing I thought of too. Anywhere alcohol is served is off limits. I don't think they don't have to post it.

NO, anywhere you can't bring a gun HAS to be posted in Ohio.

They do not have to post a no guns allowed sign at the door.

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They do not have to post a no guns allowed sign at the door.

Absolutely correct! The places listed below are always off limits, sign or no sign. It is your responsibility to know your surroundings. The sign while still used for most of the places below, is mostly for places that elect to make their property a "no ccw" place of business.

What places are off limits to ccw?
- Police stations.
- Sheriffs’ offices.
- Highway Patrol posts.
- Premises controlled by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation.
- Correctional institutions or other detention facilities.
- Airport terminals or commercial airplanes.
- Institutions for the care of mentally ill persons.
- Courthouses or buildings in which a courtroom is located.
- Universities, unless locked in a motor vehicle or in the process of being locked in a motor vehicle.
- Places of worship, unless the place of worship permits otherwise.
- Child day-care centers.
- Premises that dispense liquor. Concealed firearms are also banned in a room or arena in which liquor is dispensed for which a class D permit has been issued. A class D permit is generally issued to an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. Be certain of the type of permit and whether liquor is being dispensed before you enter with a concealed handgun.
- Buildings owned by the state or any political subdivision. Buildings under the control of the state or any of its political subdivisions, such as counties, cities and the like also prohibit concealed firearms. This prohibition also extends to all portions of any building that is leased by the state government. For example, it would extend to the floor of a private building that is leased by the government. Additionally, libraries, which are often funded through a consortium of governmental bodies, are covered by the statute.
- School safety zones.
- Any private business which posts a sign prohibiting firearms or makes you aware of a policy prohibiting firearms.