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I was out for a walk with Mrs. Outnumbered recently when a LARGE, mean/angry dog charged us from between a couple of buildings. I yelled "NO!" in a booming voice, which (thankfully) stopped the dog, which is a good thing, since my wife had already grabbed tightly ahold of my right arm so I couldn't have drawn if I had needed to.

Perhaps this has been discussed before or addressed in your training, but thought I'd share a recent experience in case it might help someone.
 
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I’d also make damn sure you discuss that with the wife, too.


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It is always a good idea to keep your strong hand free as much as possible. For example, if you carry an item or items that don't need both hands, carry them in your weak hand.
 
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It is always a good idea to keep your strong hand free as much as possible. For example, if you carry an item or items that don't need both hands, carry them in your weak hand.


Yep. This is something that cops have had drilled into them for years, but it's a good idea for anyone who carries a handgun.

My wife thinks it's funny, because there are times that I'll have two or three things in my left hand (like a bottle of water, a bag of groceries, and my car keys) and nothing in my right.
 
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I have schooled all my GFs, EXs and other female types that should anything of threatening nature take place, they are to immediately step away from me and get on the phone to 9-1-1.
Certainly not fool proof but it does get them off the X ring and frees me up to do what I need to do.
And after I told a couple of them about this drill, they dumped me. No loss. If you are going to hang with me, its all part of the fun!


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My wife has outstanding situational awareness.

We have discussed this protocol: If she sees something that raises her spider sense, she is to position herself so that I am between her and the questionable person.

This accomplishes a few things:
  • It makes me aware that something might be up. She does not have to say anything.

  • It lets me know where to look -- opposite side of where she is.

  • It gets her out of the way in the event that I would need to draw and aim.



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The woman is always to walk to the man's left side (unless the woman is the only one carrying).
There may be an exception for lefties, but that has never concerned me.
 
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No. Where I walk in relation to them depends on where we are. I am almost always behind them. Sometimes directly, sometimes off to one side or another. I almost always get in the car last and sometimes walk them to the passenger side and the kids both get in that door with the wife up front.




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No. Where I walk in relation to them depends on where we are. I am almost always behind them. Sometimes directly, sometimes off to one side or another. I almost always get in the car last and sometimes walk them to the passenger side and the kids both get in that door with the wife up front.


Kinda what I do, since I couldn’t find a great way to reconcile walking on the outside of the sidewalk in all occasions. I’m watching 360 and especially ahead and behind anyway and there’s been times I’ve went ahead to get between someone who looked sketchy or hung back enough to create more of a lead between the family and whatever didn’t look right. It has worked so far. The big thing is my wife knows not to grab my gun arm. It stays free for a reason, and even at age four, little man knows that when we’re out and about, Dad is doing guard duty and not “just there,” and if things get ugly, to go with Mom and stay well clear of whatever Dad has to deal with.
 
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It has been that way since the main weapon was a sword. Same reason you always walk a dog on your left side. You need to keep the gun hand free,
 
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My wife and I have had this discussion previously. Usually right after she grabs my right hand and wants to walk on my right side, since in Memphis this usually puts her on the street side and away from the panhandlers.

Much like my cat, she needs frequent retraining....


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Very good point. I try to subscribe to keeping my gun hand free but sometimes it just isn't.


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I took to wearing my Fitbit on my right wrist. Keeps my right hand free to do what needs to be done and as a bonus, I never miss out on my steps...





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Some things you learn in the military just stick with you. I got out 29 years ago and still keep my right hand free...just in case.


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This thread reminds me of the karate teacher who asked a student to attack him, and then the student does and punches him in the face. The teacher then goes "Hit me like this" and demonstrates how and when he wants to be punched.

Where the wife/kids/significant other are located really doesn't matter in the real world, unless you know where the attack is going to come from. And in that case, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

There must be some far more gangster people that inhabit the internet, because I generally don't go places at times where "leaving my gun hand free" is all that important. When I do go these places, I take a rifle, a plate carrier, and am not really worried about any of the other stuff.

This "Gray man" EDC special forces operator stuff gets a bit much.

-Keep your head up and out of your phone.
-Don't go places at times where bad shit happens.
-Carry a gun that you can shoot fast and accurate.
-A good run is always better than a bad stand.
-Be a good witness.
-Use common sense.

Follow those simple rules, and you'll be fine.


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This thread reminds me of the karate teacher who asked a student to attack him, and then the student does and punches him in the face. The teacher then goes "Hit me like this" and demonstrates how and when he wants to be punched.

Where the wife/kids/significant other are located really doesn't matter in the real world, unless you know where the attack is going to come from. And in that case, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

There must be some far more gangster people that inhabit the internet, because I generally don't go places at times where "leaving my gun hand free" is all that important. When I do go these places, I take a rifle, a plate carrier, and am not really worried about any of the other stuff.

This "Gray man" EDC special forces operator stuff gets a bit much.

-Keep your head up and out of your phone.
-Don't go places at times where bad shit happens.
-Carry a gun that you can shoot fast and accurate.
-A good run is always better than a bad stand.
-Be a good witness.
-Use common sense.

Follow those simple rules, and you'll be fine.


I'm not a gangster, grey man, karate teacher/student, mall ninja, and I don't play one on TV or the internet.

I'm just a dude who went for a walk with his wife, in a good neighborhood, during daylight hours. And almost got chomped by a big, bad-ass Rottie/Pit mix looking dog. I really wished at the time that my wife was walking on my left, so I had my gun hand free. Is that wrong or something?
 
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Or you can just carry two guns Wink




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The technique I posted about earlier? It was developed in response to this real life event: I had been on three or four dates with this chick, who was now comfortable enough with me to tell me about her drunk, violent, loser ex-hubby.
It is a time honored tale.
I was taking her home after a date and when we approached her apartment door, a perfect imprint of a Vibram soled boot was on the door near the lock and the door frame was splintered.
I felt that having pistol in hand was appropriate at this point, so I drew my gun. When my date saw this (she was just behind me and on my right side) she let out an ear piercing scream, which scared the piss out of me. She then grabbed my upper right arm with both hands.
I told her to let go of me, shut up and step back away from me. Turns out the ex-hubby had broken in and vandalized the place, but was long gone.
And my date? she dumped me. Reason cited: My response to the situation frightened her and I should not have told her to shut up.
Ah, well. Win some, lose some.


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Originally posted by jljones:
This thread reminds me of the karate teacher who asked a student to attack him, and then the student does and punches him in the face. The teacher then goes "Hit me like this" and demonstrates how and when he wants to be punched.

Where the wife/kids/significant other are located really doesn't matter in the real world, unless you know where the attack is going to come from. And in that case, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

There must be some far more gangster people that inhabit the internet, because I generally don't go places at times where "leaving my gun hand free" is all that important. When I do go these places, I take a rifle, a plate carrier, and am not really worried about any of the other stuff.

This "Gray man" EDC special forces operator stuff gets a bit much.

-Keep your head up and out of your phone.
-Don't go places at times where bad shit happens.
-Carry a gun that you can shoot fast and accurate.
-A good run is always better than a bad stand.
-Be a good witness.
-Use common sense.

Follow those simple rules, and you'll be fine.


I'm not a gangster, grey man, karate teacher/student, mall ninja, and I don't play one on TV or the internet.

I'm just a dude who went for a walk with his wife, in a good neighborhood, during daylight hours. And almost got chomped by a big, bad-ass Rottie/Pit mix looking dog. I really wished at the time that my wife was walking on my left, so I had my gun hand free. Is that wrong or something?


Again, blanket premonitions do little or no good. Because one thing happened, changing the way you walk is pretty pointless.

Having your gun hand "free" does you zero good if the attack is from the left, and your insistence on having your gun hand "free" just put your loved one in the line of fire. The true issue is teaching her not to latch on to you, and she stays wherever she stays and you adapt. SWAT teams, at least the competent ones, don't have a "you go this way, I'll go that way" rigid plan. We learned in the 90s that only led to getting people hurt. Worry less about where people are standing, and more on them not being an issue and not going places where its an issue.


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Originally posted by jljones:
This thread reminds me of the karate teacher who asked a student to attack him, and then the student does and punches him in the face. The teacher then goes "Hit me like this" and demonstrates how and when he wants to be punched.

Where the wife/kids/significant other are located really doesn't matter in the real world, unless you know where the attack is going to come from. And in that case, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

There must be some far more gangster people that inhabit the internet, because I generally don't go places at times where "leaving my gun hand free" is all that important. When I do go these places, I take a rifle, a plate carrier, and am not really worried about any of the other stuff.

This "Gray man" EDC special forces operator stuff gets a bit much.

-Keep your head up and out of your phone.
-Don't go places at times where bad shit happens.
-Carry a gun that you can shoot fast and accurate.
-A good run is always better than a bad stand.
-Be a good witness.
-Use common sense.

Follow those simple rules, and you'll be fine.


I'm not a gangster, grey man, karate teacher/student, mall ninja, and I don't play one on TV or the internet.

I'm just a dude who went for a walk with his wife, in a good neighborhood, during daylight hours. And almost got chomped by a big, bad-ass Rottie/Pit mix looking dog. I really wished at the time that my wife was walking on my left, so I had my gun hand free. Is that wrong or something?


Again, blanket premonitions do little or no good. Because one thing happened, changing the way you walk is pretty pointless.

Having your gun hand "free" does you zero good if the attack is from the left, and your insistence on having your gun hand "free" just put your loved one in the line of fire. The true issue is teaching her not to latch on to you, and she stays wherever she stays and you adapt. SWAT teams, at least the competent ones, don't have a "you go this way, I'll go that way" rigid plan. We learned in the 90s that only led to getting people hurt. Worry less about where people are standing, and more on them not being an issue and not going places where its an issue.


I agree that there's no telling where trouble may come from. I didn't mean to imply that her being on my left was a magic pill. Nonetheless, I'm right-handed.

So, there's 360 degrees of uncertainty, but 100% certainty of which hand I need to use to draw a gun holstered at 3:00 with, so I might as well not put a person over there. Basically, all else being (foreseeably) equal, keep your gun hand free.

Your point is well-taken, and I trust that given your expertise, is a critically important one. I don't however think our statements are opposed or mutually exclusive.
 
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