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Resident BoneCrusher |
I don't see a problem with that. People do stupid things with alcohol and guns all the time. Mix the two together and its a bad combination. |
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The One, the Only Mighty Paragon |
I take this to mean that "shit happens". If you are at the range and over the limit, you should not be messing with the gun. If you are in the car and over the limit (never mind DUI), no guns better be available to you. The only time you should mess with the loaded gun, if you are over the limit, is in self-defense. Of course, what do I know? I have no problem with a drink with dinner, carrying or not. I know my limits, though. P232, P239 in 9mm, P220ST in Black, Rem 870 Wingmaster, Rem 1100 in 12 ga., Romanian AK in .223, Winchester 94 in 30-30 |
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I do not drink any alcohol whatsoever while carrying, regardless of legality.
If I have to defend myself, I do not want ANYTHING that impairs my judgement to be available to be used against me. Plus, I drink rarely enough these days anyway where even one beer certainly makes me feel a little different. Im my case, I'd bet even one beer slows down my reaction times and changes my perception, ever so slightly, of what's going on around me. --------------------------- “Stand Your Ground, Don’t Fire Unless Fired Upon. But If They Mean To Have War, Let it Start Here.” - Captain John Parker, Lexington, Massachusetts April 19, 1775 "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." - Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate. |
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Unless you are one of those that alcohol effects rather easily then I don't have an issue with a beer or two and CCW'ing.
Personally, it takes me 3-4 beers to even start to notice a difference in my abilities. I find that being waken up at 3 in the morning I feel more impaired then for about 5 minutes more so than I do after a six pack. ======================= SigPro2022, .40S&W Glock 26 O.D. Sig P6 Sig Pro FAQ - By Ken Lunde http://www.handgunlaw.us/ - By Steve Aikens and others. |
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This is completely untrue. Texas law does not prohibit someone from drinking and carrying, only from being intoxicated and carrying. See PC 46.035 subsection (d). Your instructor is just trying to help you make the right decision  |
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+1. For those who have "one or two" while carrying, where does that put your judgement level? Assuming you started at 100%, are you now at, what, 95%? Would you carry a gun - or ammo - that's 95% reliable? |
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Confused, very confused |
As I said in my original post: If I'm willing to operate a motor vehicle, I'm also willing to carry. It's much easier to kill yourself or others unintentionally with a motor vehicle than a firearm. When intention begins to enter into it, the proposition becomes more questionable, but still the motor vehicle is a very very deadly weapon. More to the point: I would rather carry a 95% reliable pistol than none. I would rather carry 95% reliable ammo than none. I would rather carry my pistol and ammo when I'm at 95% than not carry it. |
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No problem in Indiana.
I don't drink and carry although I wouldn't see a problem with one or two beers. I don't think judgement is impaired after one or two beers. Reaction time on the other hand is a different story. I am much more concerned with not having one or two beers when I am riding my motorcyle although I have not done either to this date after many, many years of both carrying and/or riding motorcyles. |
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I'm entitled to this Title |
Give me a break! The only thing idiotic is a Zero Tolerance Rule. In fact, Zero Tolerance Rules are created for the weak minded whom are strained when asked to insert common sense into a situation. If you are an adult and you cannot control yourself around alcohol, then don't drink a drop! If you are a responsible adult that can say no to the second alcoholic drink that the server sits in front of you, then live you life and enjoy an adult beverage with dinner, while you are carrying a tool that will give you the means to defend your life. As far as liability goes... I have had guns held to my head, I have been bound and tortured for information, I have lived through an armed home invasion... And in every instance, I could have been piss drunk and shot my aggressors in self defense with no questions asked. If I have a glass of wine while out to dinner with my wife and a scenario comes up where our lives are threatened; my BAC of 0.01 will have no bearing on the outcome of the criminal or resulting civil trials. I am at the same level of impairment that I would be after having a dose of cough syrup or not quite getting enough sleep the night before. I would say about 99.5%... This is my level of impairment, which leaves me at 0.02 BAC after several drinks. There is no scientific evidence of impairment at that low of a BAC level. Just a slight euphoria and loss of some shyness. In other words, about the same effects of two Red Bull energy drinks. Will one less box of ammo, this month, kill you? No, but the money could save a child's life...  |
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I find it SOMEWHAT amusing, but even MORE disturbing, that a majority of the posters seem to think that THEY can safely consume alcoholic beverages and then carry a firearm safely.
The decision SHOULD be, EITHER drink OR carry, but NEVER BOTH at the same time! Why? Because the drinker is the WORST POSSIBLE judge of his/her own level of impairment. |
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I'm entitled to this Title |
No one is advocating getting intoxicated. We are talking about consuming a level of alcohol that does not impair the human body. NOT going out drinking! If someone is unable to comprehend a safe limit of alcohol or if they are unable to stop once they start, then for goodness sake, do not consume any amount. If you are not responsible enough to consume one serving of alcohol and then stop... Don't drink. If you cannot comprehend the scientific levels of impairment and you are too apathetic to search online to educate yourself.... Then do not drink. For intelligent and responsible individuals that can comprehend the effects of alcohol and can set a limit that does not affect their level of sobriety... Have that healthy serving of alcohol with dinner. The question always asked to those that advocate the zero tolerance rule.... Do you lock up every single one of your firearms if you drink one beer at your home with dinner? If not, you are being hypocritical. Will one less box of ammo, this month, kill you? No, but the money could save a child's life... |
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Not stipulation in PA and is allowed including carrying in a business that sells alcohol for consumption onsite. I do it but limit myself to 2 beers.
There should be no problem if you find yourself making the correct decision in having to defend yourself even when alcohol is involved. The original point and click interface was a Colt Peacemaker! |
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When we were born...God gave all of us many abilities and I think the most important one is Common Sense....and if we use that when carrying we'll be ok......
Evil fears those who wears the Badge...... The Jarhead Evil Fears those who Wears the Badge....FCSO |
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I'd like to know where people are getting that even one drink doesn't impair your judgment and slow you down.
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I'm entitled to this Title |
It's called science...  The alcohol "effects scale" doesn't even start until after 0.02 BAC and "minor impairment" doesn't start until you reach 0.04 BAC. I have sat down to dinner and had 2-23oz servings of beer with my meal. 35 minutes after I had finished I blew into a calibrated device and achieved a BAC level of 0.02... That is cough syrup territory. (yes, you can read publications reguarding that as well) Now maybe you weigh 120 pounds soaking wet and you haven't had anything to eat since yesterday... Then you should know your true tested limit and probably not have that 23 ouncer, since it would probably put you over 0.04 BAC. Will one less box of ammo, this month, kill you? No, but the money could save a child's life... |
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What credible studies say you're not impaired until .04 BAC.
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I'm entitled to this Title |
Look at any BAC chart out there. The low limit of impairment, thus "minor impairment" is always 0.03-0.04...
Will one less box of ammo, this month, kill you? No, but the money could save a child's life... |
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I remain one who does not mix guns and alcohol, though I doubt I’ll convert anyone.
 Those who drink while carrying should therefore have no objection to these people also consuming alcohol: Your infant’s babysitter. Your child’s school bus driver. Or teacher. Airline pilots. Firefighters and LEOs. Hospital medical staff. Don’t worry - They’re going to use common sense and stop before they’re impaired. |
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I have heard that too but I still don't know if it is a defined law or just common sense. Blackwater P226R * Equinox P229R/40 * P239/357sig * P229 40/357 Reverse TT GOTM * P220ST Nitron * P229R/9 * X-Five Tactical * P220 Super Match * P226 non rail 357/40 |
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