I have, too, and do, regularly. And if you go for my holstered weapon you will find yourself with an opened femoral artery, a slashed jugular, and one round in the head, in 8 seconds. Just to give you a baseline

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And if you go for my holstered weapon you will find yourself with an opened femoral artery, a slashed jugular, and one round in the head, in 8 seconds. Just to give you a baseline

I've never heard anyone with any kind of training or skill actually speak this way. I picture you as a 12 year old kid who's never shot anything more than a BB gun.

Don't want to provoke a fight, maybe you are a Navy SEAL, but you sound ridiculous, or maybe sarcastic, and I just didn't get it...

Along with sounding silly, your tactics are those of a movie-watcher. If I go for your gun, your first priority is to go for your knife? Really smooth, Rambo...

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When I went through the taining where I work one of my instructors (after having everyone in class verify the pistol was empty) was able to stand directly infront of us and get our guns out of our level 3 safariland 070 holsters. This was before we went through weapon retention classes and he would have trouble doing it now but the point is he was able to do it when we had no training to stop him other then what our egos had given us.

I got away from the 1911 as a duty pistol because of something I learned during transition drills at a carbine course. The retention devices on my duty rig, plus the carry angle, caused a perfect storm of conditions that kept my skinny hand from properly depressing the grip safety, unless I shifted my grip after the pistol was free of the holster.

The imperfect grip still occurs with other pistols I have tried, but is not so critical, because I can still get the shot off with the imperfect grip, and/or the pistol will tend to "settle-in" as I grip it. (Well, I don't know about the XD; have not tried those.)

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Originally posted by LtJL:
I have, too, and do, regularly. And if you go for my holstered weapon you will find yourself with an opened femoral artery, a slashed jugular, and one round in the head, in 8 seconds. Just to give you a baseline

Eight seconds is a long time in a fight. May I humbly recommend practicing a bit, to get that time down to more realistic period?

FranklyTodd, that is an accepted drill in police departments . Clamp the gun grabbers's arm/hand on your gun, pull your knife out of your weak hand front pocket and follow directions above. I will excuse your sarcasm and insults. You quite obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to carry on a gentleman's conversation, E-Mail me. I don't do thread wars. John

LtJL, your right in one way but wrong in another. The technique that you told of is a viable means of preventing a gun grab. I have also been told of that method although where I am employed it is not permited. Where you are wrong is the length of time that you give, eight seconds is far to long, chances are that if it takes that long you will not be the winner of the confrontation. I mean no disrespect I just wish to question your time line.

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Originally posted by TuesdayClub:
Everytime I use the bathroom, I practice my draw from different positions/clothes

Please tell me that you clear the weapon and put ammo in a seperate location first.

This sounds just like the officer practicing his presentation in front of a mirro recently and ended in a tradgedy (he killed his young wife with an ND).

Stay safe, bro.


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The answer would be yes BTW.

Still learning that cut 'n' shoot. all 638 of of us trained in it. I am probably down to around five now, but 8 seconds was a pretty good baseline for a beginner.

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Originally posted by J.P.:
How many people here have tested their tactics and gear in a live situation?

Against a live opponent? Not yet.

Every time I fire my carry weapon, it's from the holster with my carry rig. I rarely shoot more than three rounds without going back to start. Usually it's a double tap/reholster.

Most of my shooting is behind my house. I set up all kinds of different training scenarios using strong hand/weak hand/combat reloads/multiple targets/etc. I vary the distance a lot, but most of it is within ten or twelve yards. I like to start from walking as well. I've even shot from the prone. Some of the stuff I do I learned in LE training and the military. Some of it is just trying to think up how an actual SD situation might happen.

I don't think I've ever fired a sequence with it without coming from the holster.

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Originally posted by ARMT Guy:
I've also done training which involved being physically attacked by several other individuals for 30 to 40 seconds with training 'Nerf' gear...

I've done training that involved being physically attacked by a dozen other individuals carrying switchblades. It was outside a bar in Germany at about three in the morning.


What I learned was keep punching, kicking, pulling hair, and biting until you get a hole and run like hell to the taxi stand. Check for where you got stabbed later.

In training, quite a bit.

In real situations, twice.

I envy you guys that have someplace to train regularly with live ammo. None of the ranges near me allow draw-fire exercises. While I am sure "dummy" drills help, it just isn't the same.

Wish I could afford some land...

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Originally posted by codecypher:
I envy you guys that have someplace to train regularly with live ammo....

And with Simunitions.

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Originally posted by PepeLep:

I've done training that involved being physically attacked by a dozen other individuals carrying switchblades. It was outside a bar in Germany at about three in the morning.


What I learned was keep punching, kicking, pulling hair, and biting until you get a hole and run like hell to the taxi stand. Check for where you got stabbed later.

This makes me chuckle every time I read it.

I was asked once, during a "knife defense" class "How would you respond if I came at you with a knife like this?" I grabbed a nearby folding chair & started driving him into the corner. That was NOT the answer that the instructor was looking for... but it worked quite well.

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Originally posted by PepeLep:

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Originally posted by ARMT Guy:
I've also done training which involved being physically attacked by several other individuals for 30 to 40 seconds with training 'Nerf' gear...

I've done training that involved being physically attacked by a dozen other individuals carrying switchblades. It was outside a bar in Germany at about three in the morning.


What I learned was keep punching, kicking, pulling hair, and biting until you get a hole and run like hell to the taxi stand. Check for where you got stabbed later.

That makes me think of the Tom T. Hall song "Salute To a Switchblade". Must be something about Germans, knives, and soldiers.

Good article:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911669

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Originally posted by J.P.:
For example, it's very common to see the failure of OWB Kydex holsters . . .

Well not everyone agrees with that statement:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/830601935/m/9421...891068231#9891068231

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Originally posted by DMF:

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Originally posted by J.P.:
For example, it's very common to see the failure of OWB Kydex holsters . . .

Well not everyone agrees with that statement:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/830601935/m/9421...891068231#9891068231

+1.

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Originally posted by DMF:

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Originally posted by J.P.:
For example, it's very common to see the failure of OWB Kydex holsters . . .

Well not everyone agrees with that statement:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/830601935/m/9421...891068231#9891068231

Mere disagreement doesn't make the opposite true.
Unless they actually do the work to find out, their disagreement is based on guesswork...

I can only tell you what I know, and I'd like to think based upon my experience that my word is worth something.
Maybe not.