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I went. I saw. It conquered me. I'm as lost today about what I saw as I was before I entered the theater. Please explain the original and this one, and tell me what I'm "missing." Edited to add https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Gqjjq1nic This is starting to explaing things... Thanks in advance. Jake | ||
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Best explanation: watch again. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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It would also help if you had some specific questions we could start with. | |||
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Gentlemen, Thanks for the replies. Prefontaine, I'll watch it again, thanks. Dan, I had no idea what was going on. Trying to make heads or tails of what was happening and why it was happening. One thing I can't get my arms around. Replicants are supposed to be close to human robots, right? Somehow this movie is implying that replicants reproduced the way humans do. Is that the case? The guy with no eyes, is he Terrell? Are replicants hunting each other down? Is Harrison Ford's character a Replicant? Mostly I want to understand what I saw, and why people think this is an "important" movie. Best, Jake | |||
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I'll take a stab at this...... The guy with no eyes is Niander Wallace. He's sort of the successor to Tyrell. The Tyrell Corporation from past movie is now defunct. The Replicant uprising (shown in a short on YouTube) led to the banning of all Replicants and they went out of business. Apparently around the same time, Niander Wallace comes along with a viable way of feeding everyone on an increasingly barren Earth. He also has a vision of humanity escaping Earth and populating the stars. He believes that each great advancement is accomplished "on the backs of a slave race", and uses his food production monopoly to force the government to allow him to start building Replicants (new and improved with more obedience and built-in memories!!!) again...the Nexus 8 models in the new movie. So.....as some of the "Deckard is a Replicant" proponents point out, running around offing things that are almost human would be hard on a human, so now they have guys like K doing the dirty work. While tracking down Bautista's "Sapper", K stumbles across the buried skeleton of a female Replicant who appears to have undergone a C-section and died. This nugget of info freaks the hell out of the government (what?? Our slave labor force can reproduce?!? This upsets EVERYTHING!!!) and makes Wallace ecstatic (What?? I can have my huge slave workforce self-reproduce and spread humanity beyond the stars?? Oh, and satisfy my god-like egomania as well?? Win/Win!!!). The rest of the movie is basically K wrestling with the idea that he may be the child of that female Replicant, opening the door to thoughts of relationships, does he have a soul, why did Dad ditch Mom and I, etc. etc. I don't think Replicants are "robots" as that implies they are mechanical. I think they are something like clones. Grown from manufactured cells/tissue samples/Slurm. I also don't believe Deckard is a Replicant. The only person who said he is was Ridley Scott. He's clearly aged, a trait we're told is only shared by the new class of Replicants. The first movie points out several times that Rachel was "special" (in apparently more ways than one) due to having implanted memories and an open-ended life span. Are we supposed to believe Tyrell also made Deckard "special" then handed him over to the LAPD? As for why the movie is "important".....I dunno. The first movie is more of a cult classic. As I recall, it did not do well at the box office, but those who liked it REALLY REALLY liked it. Blade Runner 2049 is for those people. If you never saw the first (or only saw it once or twice), you're not going to "get it". It really is a wonderful follow-up. And if you like "pretty" movies, this will do it for you as well. I am not a big fan of westerns, but I love Open Range just for the look of it. Anyway, hope this helps some. _______________________________ The artist formerly known as AllenInWV | |||
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Allan did a great job of breaking it down. I'm in the Deckard is not a replicant camp. Another thing to know is that K's memories of the orphanage are implanted. I found that blade runner is a bit like Dune in that it takes some effort to understand the storyline and you have to piece it together. | |||
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Ridley Scott is on record as saying he considers Deckard to be a replicant. Phillip K. Dick, who wrote the book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" that the movie is based on, is on record as saying that the whole point of the book is that the robots are becoming more human while Deckard, a human, is being dehumanized hunting them. | |||
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The short story is drastically different from the movie though. So is Dick's Total Recall. | |||
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I think Ford said he played Deckard as a human. As for K’s orphanage memories, at the time Hannah (that was her name, right?) confirms to K that those ARE real memories, not constructs.....that’s when K starts really thinking he could be born, not made. I assumed Hannah was crying because she was thinking “Here is this poor guy who has been told he was a Replicant”. Of course, we learn she’s crying for a different reason altogether later on. _______________________________ The artist formerly known as AllenInWV | |||
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then watch it again, and again, little bits pop out as you see it more
more human than human, that was the Tyrell motto yes, at least once, but apparently just once (Rachel, from the original
remember Tyrell was killed in the first movie, and the history of the company and Wallace are in the opening scenes
yes, and depends,
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"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" is a novel, not a short story. I do agree that there are plenty of differences between it and Blade Runner, though. Of course, Hampton Fancher, who wrote the "Blade Runner" screenplay, made similar comments. http://www.combustiblecelluloid.com/intfancher1.shtml
This includes the idea that Deckard lost his humanity hunting the more-and-more human replicants, but takes it as the starting point, and adds the idea that he regains his humanity as a result of falling in love with a replicant. | |||
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The "K" character's name is a reference to Philip K. Dick, no? | |||
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I thought it referred to Kafka's K. | |||
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or he is #11 https://www.chesterfieldarmament.com/ | |||
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I definitely don't think Deckard is supposed to be a replicant after watching 2049. I mean, he's an old guy now who keeps getting his ass beat by replicants (in both films). “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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I can sum it up in a single sentence. I'm not the daddy's baby. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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The soundtrack was SUPPOSED to be channeling Vangellis, but fell way short. It was as if they just didn't give a shit and gave some meth and acid to Skrillix and DeadMau5 and let them beat each other to death with saw wave Moogs. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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alrighty now, that was funny, I thought some of the sound track was spot on, as far as 'channeling Vangelis', then for whatever reason, sections seemed to be a bit loud, and industrial, overall still a damn good movie https://www.chesterfieldarmament.com/ | |||
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I didn't see the movie. Not sure I will. Don't take this the wrong way - this is not a comment on your ability to summarize. But What???? I don't get the storyline / theme at all. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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