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Yep, as long as people still go apeshit for Star Wars movies[...].


They're rapidly solving that problem. The Last Jedi just about cured me.


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"Sub-par acting" is however neither a race nor ethnicity, so that obviously wasn't the beef either. Thus I still find it funny that people would complain about the mix of skin colors in human characters in a universe with a gazillion species of every imaginable shape, color and size. If you were really going PC on Star Wars, realistically you'd have to question why all the lead characters are human, except for Chewbacca and Yoda (well, and the droids). What color those humans are becomes an afterthought then. I'm sure that actors who exceed the capabilities of Hayden Christensen can be found in any shade.


Your argument is silly. It’s pretty crystal to many. Diversity, inclusion, etc, going on big time in current society. When they cram it up your ass in film it is obvious. Diversity now more important than quality or acting prowess.
Last set of films the straw that broke the camel’s back was Jar-Jar. This go around it’s some Asian girl. Sorry kid thems the breaks.

All 3 Disney films feature female leads, girl power yo! The first film under this ownership played it safe. Empire ship, droid with plans, to the desert we go! For the final act we blow up their “big gun”. Oh, how original. This last one was a diversity fest with shit dialogue, shit acting, shit directing, terrible story, I mean stick a fork in it. They killed Han Solo, and they even killed Luke Skywalker, way to kill off what made this into something people cared about. Carrie sadly passed on her own.

They’ve cured me, no more. This is Star Wars for millenials and they can have it. It’s for a new generation of people. A generation grown up with helicopter parents and everyone gets a trophy.



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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
"Sub-par acting" is however neither a race nor ethnicity, so that obviously wasn't the beef either. Thus I still find it funny that people would complain about the mix of skin colors in human characters in a universe with a gazillion species of every imaginable shape, color and size. If you were really going PC on Star Wars, realistically you'd have to question why all the lead characters are human, except for Chewbacca and Yoda (well, and the droids). What color those humans are becomes an afterthought then. I'm sure that actors who exceed the capabilities of Hayden Christensen can be found in any shade.


Your argument is silly. It’s pretty crystal to many. Diversity, inclusion, etc, going on big time in current society. When they cram it up your ass in film it is obvious. Diversity now more important than quality or acting prowess.
Last set of films the straw that broke the camel’s back was Jar-Jar. This go around it’s some Asian girl. Sorry kid thems the breaks.

All 3 Disney films feature female leads, girl power yo! The first film under this ownership played it safe. Empire ship, droid with plans, to the desert we go! For the final act we blow up their “big gun”. Oh, how original. This last one was a diversity fest with shit dialogue, shit acting, shit directing, terrible story, I mean stick a fork in it. They killed Han Solo, and they even killed Luke Skywalker, way to kill off what made this into something people cared about. Carrie sadly passed on her own.

They’ve cured me, no more. This is Star Wars for millenials and they can have it. It’s for a new generation of people. A generation grown up with helicopter parents and everyone gets a trophy.


I posted most of what you said, and deleted it. Denial, it's just not a river in Egypt anymore.


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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
"Sub-par acting" is however neither a race nor ethnicity, so that obviously wasn't the beef either. Thus I still find it funny that people would complain about the mix of skin colors in human characters in a universe with a gazillion species of every imaginable shape, color and size. If you were really going PC on Star Wars, realistically you'd have to question why all the lead characters are human, except for Chewbacca and Yoda (well, and the droids). What color those humans are becomes an afterthought then. I'm sure that actors who exceed the capabilities of Hayden Christensen can be found in any shade.


I had missed your reply. I started to type out a full rebuttal and realized it was a complete waste of my time, because again, you're being obtuse.

I'm sure there's better WHITE actors than Hayden Christensen since Mark Hamill, the guy who's supposed to be his son in the movies, is about as fucking WHITE as it gets. Then we finally see Vader's face in RoTJ and holy shit! He's even more WHITE! Roll Eyes



I can't take you seriously if you want to argue this point THAT way.


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I posted most of what you said, and deleted it. Denial, it's just not a river in Egypt anymore.


All we can do is vote with our wallets.



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I had missed your reply. I started to type out a full rebuttal and realized it was a complete waste of my time, because again, you're being obtuse.

I'm sure there's better WHITE actors than Hayden Christensen since Mark Hamill, the guy who's supposed to be his son in the movies, is about as fucking WHITE as it gets. Then we finally see Vader's face in RoTJ and holy shit! He's even more WHITE! Roll Eyes



I can't take you seriously if you want to argue this point THAT way.


I think you are misunderstanding me, maybe willfully. I didn't say Anakin Skywalker should have been played by a non-white actor for PC reasons. Everybody pretty much agreed that Hayden Christensen's acting sucked, but obviously nobody complained about his race (well, I suppose if you look long enough you'll find some Black Power types argueing that since Darth Vader was voiced by James Earl Jones, both he and Luke should have been black in the first place). But if the white lead actor sucks, why complain about the race of other suckers?

Not that I can think of many; neither Samuel L. Jackson nor John Boyega fall into that category, though I agree that Finn was written badly in TLJ. The Chinese guys in R1 were quite obviously due to Hollywood's pandering to the big Chinese market, but that didn't make them bad actors. In the end they were there for exactly the same reason that almost all SW lead characters are human - you want characters the mass audience can relate to for you to make the best possible profit of the movie. If you wanted to make a hardcore SF nerd movie, the original "Star Wars" characters would have been all-alien in that "Galaxy far, far away", with everybody talking in his own language; but that wouldn't have been mass-friendly, and SW was always about making money.

The recent overemphasis of female characters is indeed blatant (I also note that both the First Order and Resistance seem to be more equal-opportunity for female combattants now, though the bad guys' officer corps is still lilly-white while there are obviously various shades under the stormproopers' helmets, as seen in Finn). But again the actresses are not necessarily bad - the problem is more in writing bad leadership like by Admiral Holdo. And frankly, I don't get people's pre-occupation with having their political sensibilities offended by either a lack of or too many minorities in movies.
 
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