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Well that was an anticlimactic Q3.
Hoping for a good race, love Suzuka.




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Posts: 6132 | Location: Spring, TX | Registered: July 11, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Alonso mentioned that it will be dry tomorrow which is a shame because that will probably make it a snoozer.
Let’s see if Vettel can gain some places quickly and make it through the first laps without contact.
Sounds like most will need more than one stop so that may help make it more interesting.
 
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Saw an article where Hamilton is calling for a significantly softer compound set for next year, to push for at least a 2 stop race.




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Ferrari dropped the ball again with Q3 tires, stupid mistake but they seem to be going through the motions at this stage of the championship.

Other teams have had multiple dominant years -- Ferrari and Red Bull this century -- but Merc's consistent spread on the field is unprecedented. I'm guaranteed to fast forward through the "race" tomorrow and do something useful with that time. There is no best case scenario that will renew my interest in this shit season.


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...There is no best case scenario that will renew my interest in this shit season.

I'm only following it through this thread, not recording or watching any of it now.


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Looks like both championships have been wrapped up again by Mercedes. Congrats to them, but it really does make for a poor on track product.

If they wanted a real drivers champion and a real constructors champion, the drivers should rotate amongst the teams. Two races with each team per driver. Never happen, but would be fun to watch.
 
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The race venue is always a pleasure, but the competition on track was odd.

Max seems to think that if you make a mistake, the driver behind should stop and wait for him to regain composure within the car, and not loose a spot. Vettel pushes in places where the upside is low, and the downside is tremendous. Hamster was on cruise control, but Ricciardo was a man on a mission today.




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So, Same Shit, Different Day? Roll Eyes

I didn't watch.


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Lots of mistakes made today, Vettel has a lot of work to do.




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Lots of passing and wheel to wheel action today although not for the lead.
Vettel was doing real good up until he wasn't.
Didn't mind seeing Kmag getting the short end of it this time. Poetic justice for once.
 
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Max seems to think that if you make a mistake, the driver behind should stop and wait for him to regain composure within the car, and not loose a spot.



A point he tried to drive home again post race.
That’s just whacky.

Translated to football he’d have you think that if someone has a poor grip on the ball and fumbles, you should give them a moment to pick it up before anybody else’s so rude as to dive on it!



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Example, in Q3 Mercedes and Ferrari can crank up the power to compete for the pole. In Q1 or two, Force India and Williams don't get the same option. Neither do the teams running Ferrari power. Maybe that option costs extra.

Wut? Confused


The factory teams clearly have a map that the non-factory teams don’t have. Otherwise teams like Williams would just turn up the power when they are struggling to get out of Q1.

Same engines, but not the same PCU or power control unit. Also, neither of those two teams have the downforce that Merc has, so power without downforce turns into spins and crashes. Of course, playing devils advocate, neither Sauber nor Hass share the same downforce, or PCU as Ferrari. Your example of Indy however would not work, because the EMU or car computer is what allows for the "party mode", not the engine. Plug in an engine from Force India into the Mercedes, and you have (in theory) just as fast of a car. F1 regulated the fuel flow, consumption, and displacement tied to the MGUH, not the throttle controls, driver, or downforce (to a certain extent).

There is a downside to the increased stress on the engines, and that is loss of compression and ultimately engine failure. I did an analysis earlier in the year and found that no other team in F1 over the past 2 years had a greater level of engine failure than Red Bull. Keep in mind, they program their own EMU and PCU, so I have no sorrow for them. Statistically speaking, they blew their Renault engines 28% more than other users, and while they have had great control over downforce, they have pushed the engine more than other teams, and been burned by it.

I'll say it again - they are in for a rude surprise with Honda.

As for Hamster running with Rosberg - it was a totally different mix. A) they grew up racing each other, were friends, and both thought they were the team #1 driver. You saw how that worked out with no less than three races where bother drivers suffered damage, and at least two I can think of where one of the driver was knocked out. Not every race went as smooth as Bahrain in 2013. Hammy and Bottas have a different dynamic - Bottas believes he is the "B" driver, he is a support person, and happy to have such a great ride. Hammy knows he is the shit, lets Bottas know it too, but is respectful with him.

Somehow I never remember hearing people so vocal about team orders back when Schumacher was having his team mate move over for him, and he was a prick telling the pit wall to move them of he would wreck them. Vettel never took orders from the wall when he raced against Weber either - Multi 21. As a matter of fact I think he wrecked Weber back to back in Korea when they were going for the title.

Point is that you have to have sharp elbows in F1. Bottas needs a better opportunity for equality, Louis will be Louis, Raikonnen was spayed by Vettel, and more less throws a hissy fit whenever his level headed teammates beat his ass (Weber, Ricciardo, Raikonnen). They are more less all pre-madonnas with the exception of maybe Ocon, Bottas, and Hartly.

Perez with man handle Stroll, until they withhold pay or fire him. That team may be doomed to fail by putting Stroll in that seat. The real looser is Ocon, who in my opinion is better than 1/2 of the field.


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two bad races

watched both today - 15X speed for Russia and then Japan

wasn't a race, the race was the sprint to turn 1

stupid mistake by Vettel yet again cost him a race



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IMO, Japan was a better race than Russia.
Lot more action on track & Suzuka is such an awesome circuit.

2 weeks to Austin! I'll be en route Thursday night & seated at the COTA esses Friday morning! Cool




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Red Bull has their new team "across America" video featuring Max Verstappen out at Jalopnik. https://jalopnik.com/max-verst...a-is-goin-1829706916




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Forecast is showing rain all weekend (60/70/50% | Fri/Sat/Sun) in Austin.
Hoping for the best & the weather to clear up. Temps expected in the 60s-70s.




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Forecast is showing rain all weekend (60/70/50% | Fri/Sat/Sun) in Austin.
Hoping for the best & the weather to clear up. Temps expected in the 60s-70s.


Sorry to hear that for those in attendance but it's likely to make the event more memorable and exciting to us tv watchers.
I went to the Glen for most of the 70's races and suffered through some miserable conditions just above freezing (and raining, usually both) several years.
Good luck to those that go and we'll be watching.
 
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It was wet last year for FP1 & started drying out for FP2.
Quali & the race were brutal hot.

The cooler temps will be welcome this year, hoping the rain holds off.




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A friend of mine was at ACL last weekend and looks like a cooked lobster. He would have paid for some clouds and rain.




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...I went to the Glen for most of the 70's races and suffered through some miserable conditions...

Did you experience the famous "Bog"? I remember reading about it in C&D and R&T, but never got there to see it myself. I'm jealous! Cool


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