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Better Call Saul season 3
May 09, 2017, 06:14 PM
RipleyBetter Call Saul season 3
Didn't they send the house pics to Chuck's ex-wife to show her he's having big problems? That's why she showed up, no?
Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. May 09, 2017, 07:09 PM
callibirdMy guess on the 'Bingo'...Kim was goading Chuck after that mediation regarding the tape. I think they just wanted confirmation that there WAS a duplicate. Chuck admitted that the duplicate was destroyed. What I think they were fishing for was Chuck actually planning ahead and baiting Jimmy into a reaction. Using his hatred for his brother. It gave them something they could use as strategy to push Chuck's buttons in the hearing and call into question his mental state and motives.
So, they are not questioning the tapes, and Jimmy copped to being on it, they are questioning the motives, i.e. entrapment. It shows that Chuck, who admitted to the fact, would use any means possible to get 'revenge' on his brother, including playing up his 'condition' to elicit the response...a condition that was undermined by slipping the battery in Chuck's pocket and he not having a reaction to it.
Just my .02.
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May 09, 2017, 07:57 PM
jhe888Chuck was served.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. May 10, 2017, 12:22 AM
jimmy123xI really like Better Call Saul but it moves just a little too slow. Breaking bad was a better show, but I still like Better call Saul.
May 10, 2017, 10:10 AM
jhe888The slower pace is clearly a choice. I like it.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. May 10, 2017, 11:22 AM
stoic-oneThe geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
May 10, 2017, 01:47 PM
at-home-daddyquote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
The geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
Funny, I thought of that as well, but wasn't sure if there are some residual electromagnetic vibrations that leak from loose batteries. I was probably just giving the writers (or Chuck's psychosis) too much benefit of the doubt. ;-)
May 10, 2017, 02:27 PM
Sig Marinequote:
Originally posted by callibird:
My guess on the 'Bingo'...Kim was goading Chuck after that mediation regarding the tape. I think they just wanted confirmation that there WAS a duplicate. Chuck admitted that the duplicate was destroyed. What I think they were fishing for was Chuck actually planning ahead and baiting Jimmy into a reaction. Using his hatred for his brother. It gave them something they could use as strategy to push Chuck's buttons in the hearing and call into question his mental state and motives.
So, they are not questioning the tapes, and Jimmy copped to being on it, they are questioning the motives, i.e. entrapment. It shows that Chuck, who admitted to the fact, would use any means possible to get 'revenge' on his brother, including playing up his 'condition' to elicit the response...a condition that was undermined by slipping the battery in Chuck's pocket and he not having a reaction to it.
Just my .02.
Yes, Jimmy admits to being on the tape and later presents this for his motives.
"It comes down to this...in order to understand what I was thinking, you need to see Chuck through my eyes. You need to know if I believed that tape was evidence. And I say it was evidence of only one thing...my brother hates me. Now, he claims that he lied to me to get me to tell the truth. And I'm telling you I lied to my brother to make him feel better."
Good episode. Classic Chuck meltdown.
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May 10, 2017, 02:30 PM
qxsoupThis weeks episode was by far my favorite of the entire series so far. Michael McKean hit it out of the park on this one.
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May 10, 2017, 04:23 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
The geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
I had the same thought, but Chuck's illness isn't a real illness, and the panic that the battery caused in him, the fact that the illness is entirely in his head, and the tirade against Jimmy was the point of the cross examination, not the actual physics of batteries.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. May 10, 2017, 06:16 PM
at-home-daddyquote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by stoic-one:
The geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
I had the same thought, but Chuck's illness isn't a real illness, and the panic that the battery caused in him, the fact that the illness is entirely in his head, and the tirade against Jimmy was the point of the cross examination, not the actual physics of batteries.
Right, but my thinking was that Chuck should likely know that as well, given how intelligent he otherwise is, so should not have become flustered and panicked by its presence.
May 10, 2017, 06:24 PM
bigwagonquote:
Originally posted by at-home-daddy:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by stoic-one:
The geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
I had the same thought, but Chuck's illness isn't a real illness, and the panic that the battery caused in him, the fact that the illness is entirely in his head, and the tirade against Jimmy was the point of the cross examination, not the actual physics of batteries.
Right, but my thinking was that Chuck should likely know that as well, given how intelligent he otherwise is, so should not have become flustered and panicked by its presence.
He couldn't because he's a fucking nut job, and proving that was the whole point of the setup.
May 10, 2017, 06:36 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by bigwagon:
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Originally posted by at-home-daddy:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by stoic-one:
The geek in me keeps saying, "a battery that's not installed in anything doesn't have any current flow"...
I had the same thought, but Chuck's illness isn't a real illness, and the panic that the battery caused in him, the fact that the illness is entirely in his head, and the tirade against Jimmy was the point of the cross examination, not the actual physics of batteries.
Right, but my thinking was that Chuck should likely know that as well, given how intelligent he otherwise is, so should not have become flustered and panicked by its presence.
He couldn't because he's a fucking nut job, and proving that was the whole point of the setup.
Right. He is a nutjob about two things - the psychosomatic electricity allergy and his belief that Jimmy cannot be a lawyer.
Jimmy's plan was to show that Chuck is a nut, and has an irrational vendetta against him, even though, in this case, he was right - Jimmy committed a grave ethical violation that probably does warrant being disbarred.
Jimmy's whole practice has been on the ethical edge, and over it. There is a decent argument that Chuck's harassment and blackballing of Jimmy forced him into it, but the irony is that Jimmy probably shouldn't have a law license.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. May 10, 2017, 06:50 PM
ZSMICHAELquote:
Jimmy's whole practice has been on the ethical edge, and over it. There is a decent argument that Chuck's harassment and blackballing of Jimmy forced him into it, but the irony is that Jimmy probably shouldn't have a law license.
Cain vs Abel on another level. Conflicts between brothers always entertaining. The series Rich Man Poor Man had a similar theme. In that one, the dutiful son turns out to be the lesser human being.
May 10, 2017, 07:26 PM
NavyGuyquote:
the irony is that Jimmy probably shouldn't have a law license.
In real life maybe. In the spirit of this series as well as BB, not so much. Jimmy bends the rules, but he does a lot of good for his clients. Jimmy never betrays or swindles them. He has a big heart and has, at least of late, gone above and beyond to help his ungrateful sibling.
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daikyuJimmy has always been an "Ends justify the means" kind of guy. Lots of unethical stuff that he seems to weasel his way out of.
McKean has given a stellar performance in this show. Swinging from cool collected intellectual to batshit crazy in a few beats.
May 12, 2017, 01:23 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by daikyu:
Jimmy has always been an "Ends justify the means" kind of guy. Lots of unethical stuff that he seems to weasel his way out of.
Of course that is who he is. But the ends don't justify the means.
And McKean is brilliant in the part. Odenkirk is excellent, too. I think Seehorn doesn't get as much credit as she deserves. She isn't as flashy a character, but I see lots of little moments in her performance that are excellent.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. May 12, 2017, 03:06 PM
at-home-daddyquote:
Originally posted by jhe888:
And McKean is brilliant in the part. Odenkirk is excellent, too. I think Seehorn doesn't get as much credit as she deserves. She isn't as flashy a character, but I see lots of little moments in her performance that are excellent.
I find her acting very flat, toneless...but then again I can't figure out if that's a certain lack of dramatic skill (or comparitively, anyhow, against the rest of the exemplary cast) or if she's just playing a flat character exceedingly well. I would agree, though, that McKean is brilliant...the show really wakes up when he's on screen, as it does when Esposito (Gus) appears.
May 12, 2017, 03:29 PM
callibirdquote:
Originally posted by NavyGuy:
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the irony is that Jimmy probably shouldn't have a law license.
In real life maybe. In the spirit of this series as well as BB, not so much. Jimmy bends the rules, but he does a lot of good for his clients. Jimmy never betrays or swindles them. He has a big heart and has, at least of late, gone above and beyond to help his ungrateful sibling.
This...Jimmy has known all along that Chuck 'illness' was mental. There was the scene earlier in the show, where Chuck was in the hospital, and the Dr. slipped something into the room (can't remember what) that should have warranted a response from Chuck, but he had none. She inconspicuously showed Jimmy, but he has played along and helped his brother regardless. No doubt he loves Chuck, but I think he was just finally tired of his crap.
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May 12, 2017, 04:23 PM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by at-home-daddy:
I find her acting very flat, toneless...but then again I can't figure out if that's a certain lack of dramatic skill (or comparitively, anyhow, against the rest of the exemplary cast) or if she's just playing a flat character exceedingly well. I would agree, though, that McKean is brilliant...the show really wakes up when he's on screen, as it does when Esposito (Gus) appears.
Her character is a bland person. But I see things she does that express weariness with Jimmy's shenanigans while also showing her feelings of wanting to help him and ties to him. She shows a conflict between her own desire to just do her job and her loyalty to Jimmy. I think she is playing the woman who is kind of a wallflower very nicely.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.