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I wouldn't feel under-gunned with a 9mm PCC. That said, I keep a 5.56 handy, personally. The reports of it not overpenetrating is a key factor for me.

I don't have any personal experience with their 9mm rifles, but JP makes great products. But, at that price, I would look at either a MPX or a B&T. As a system, both probably have a lot more rounds through them.
 
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44 mag 240 grain JHP from a lever action rifle count?




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44 mag 240 grain JHP from a lever action rifle count?


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I've always tried to subscribe to the theory that bring the best tool you can to the job. There is zero wrong with a PCC for home defense if that's the best tool you have. But to go buy a tool its less than the best tool. There are literally no downsides to using 5.56 versus 9mm. Same form factor, recoil etc. and potentially less risk overall while getting way, way better results.
If somehow my only option was a 9mm PCC I'd be happy, but I wouldn't choose it.


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I've always tried to subscribe to the theory that bring the best tool you can to the job. There is zero wrong with a PCC for home defense if that's the best tool you have. But to go buy a tool its less than the best tool. There are literally no downsides to using 5.56 versus 9mm. Same form factor, recoil etc. and potentially less risk overall while getting way, way better results.
If somehow my only option was a 9mm PCC I'd be happy, but I wouldn't choose it.


The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.


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I've always tried to subscribe to the theory that bring the best tool you can to the job. There is zero wrong with a PCC for home defense if that's the best tool you have. But to go buy a tool its less than the best tool. There are literally no downsides to using 5.56 versus 9mm. Same form factor, recoil etc. and potentially less risk overall while getting way, way better results.
If somehow my only option was a 9mm PCC I'd be happy, but I wouldn't choose it.


The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.


On that subject, is there anything that can be done to throw the sound forward? Are some brakes designed to that end?
 
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Depends on where in the house I am. But yes, I would be good with a 9mm for home defense.



I agree.

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I could use a PCC, ( I have a Colt 6450 with twin 32 round mags of 124gr + Speer GDs ) for HD, but my 516 is my current go-to HD long gun.

Once I finish it, I have an AR pistol w/ 11.5" 5.56 and SBA3 brace that will possibly replace the 516.




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I've always tried to subscribe to the theory that bring the best tool you can to the job. There is zero wrong with a PCC for home defense if that's the best tool you have. But to go buy a tool its less than the best tool. There are literally no downsides to using 5.56 versus 9mm. Same form factor, recoil etc. and potentially less risk overall while getting way, way better results.
If somehow my only option was a 9mm PCC I'd be happy, but I wouldn't choose it.


The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.


On that subject, is there anything that can be done to throw the sound forward? Are some brakes designed to that end?


You can get a linear compensator, or put a blast shield around the brake, but in an enclosed space, it will still be very loud since the sound will reflect off a wall in front of you.

Plus, a 5.56 has a much bigger muzzle flash, especially from a short barrel, than a PCC.
 
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The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.

Maybe, maybe not. According to the attached table from M1911.org, a 223 rifle produces 155 db of noise and a 9mm pistol produces 160 db of noise.

how loud is your gun?
 
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The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.

Maybe, maybe not. According to the attached table from M1911.org, a 223 rifle produces 155 db of noise and a 9mm pistol produces 160 db of noise.

how loud is your gun?


Apples to oranges.

What's the decibel level for 9mm out of a 16" barrel?


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Apples to oranges.

What's the decibel level for 9mm out of a 16" barrel?

I don't know. I'll let you research that. While you're at it, look for the db of various barrels lengths between 4-5" and 16", as some of the PCC carbines could be SBRs and pistols
 
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My wife is fine with the AR9 I got (partially for a HD gun) but very recoil sensitive with pistols. It’s not what I’m picking up for a bump in the night but she will and that’s what matters. It’s far better than a pillow.
 
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Plus, a 5.56 has a much bigger muzzle flash, especially from a short barrel, than a PCC.


For under $50, some of the best flash hiders on the market will tame that to basically zero (Blackout, Vortex, Phantom). I have an AAC Blackout I paid $45 for on my 10.5" SBR and I've shot it with cheap ammo in the dark, could only see the faintest of blue-ish-gray looking flash when staring at the muzzle. So, a non-factor. Same with sound, they are going to be close and either will harm your hearing. Can mitigate both with electronic hearing pro at the ready or a can.




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Yes. SBR CZ Scorpion.


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The downside to 223/556 is the deafening sound blast if not supressed. Much louder indoors or out than 9mm.


not in any meaningful way according to the data I see. In any case you should put on amplified hearing protection at the same time you pick up the gun (I keep mine attached to the rifle). It is a tactical advantage you should use...


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Yup, 9mm SBR AR suppressed.


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If I could afford it I'd have a suppressed .40 or .45 SBR with the heaviest subsonic cartridges I could get.


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I may this year mount my can to the Scorpion and retire the M4. I don’t want to ever be in that situation but I need my hearing.



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I agree, suppressed is always the answer. Both my HD rifle and pistol are suppressed.

Some say electronic ears help you hear better, but I’ve always found it throws off my directional hearing. So I find them to be a negative, not a positive. Whatever you choose, suppress it.


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