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Don’t ignore the AR in other chamberings like 6.5 or 300BLK.
 
Posts: 12467 | Location: Shenandoah Valley, VA | Registered: October 16, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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These days there are good priced AR10s that work so it's a solid option.

I'm partial to the M14 and I also like the FAL quite a bit. Both great options just depends what you want to do with it.

Depending how close to 2K you want to get, the galil ace is a pretty solid option I think. No firsthand exp with it though but it would take AR10 mags in case you wanted to get an AR10 in the future. Or other way around if you want an AR10 now. The FAL and M14 both use their own mag which is a pain in the ass until you get a couple of em.


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Posts: 6205 | Location: Bay Area | Registered: December 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I’d like to buy a larger caliber semi auto to compliment my AR15.

The easiest compliment to an AR15 is an AR10. The benefits include:
- Same basic configuration. No need to learn a new trigger, mag release, or charging system.
- Same type of modularity with uppers and calibers. However, you almost certainly will need to stay with the one brand of upper/lower.
- Same layout for sights.

AR10s can be built for a reasonable cost. They can be really accurate. They can cycle really reliably. You can have the choice between DI and piston systems. They suppress nicely. Quite a few manufacturers build complete rifles and components.
 
Posts: 6655 | Location: Colorado | Registered: January 26, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by rchermanjr:
I have had the M1 Garand...through CMP..great rifle but not what I would consider a battle rifle.


Well, that's exactly what it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle:

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A battle rifle is a military service rifle that is capable of semi or fully automatic fire, and fires a full-powered rifle cartridge.[1] The term "battle rifle" was created largely out of a need to better differentiate the intermediate-power assault rifles (e.g. StG-44, AK-47, M16, AUG) from full-powered automatic rifles (e.g. FG-42, FN FAL, M14, H&K G3) as both classes of firearms have a similar appearance and share many of the same features such as detachable magazines, pistol grips, etc.[2]

While most battle rifles largely resemble modern assault rifle designs, the term may also describe older military full-powered semi-automatic rifles such as the Fedorov Avtomat, M1 Garand, SVT-40, Gewehr 43, FN Model 1949, and the MAS-49.[3][4] Before the 1980s and 1990s, the term was not well defined and was used as a general description for all types of military rifles.


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Originally posted by rchermanjr:
The H&K G3 and variants would be my choice. Parts are plentiful, including magazines....design is robust, accurate enough for what it was designed, not very heavy and shoots .30cal round. Can be used close in and out at a distance with good optics.

If I was going to get one today it would be a PTR91 variant with the welded on rail for optics. The best non-H&K option for anyone without thousands of dollars burning hole in pocket and willing to wait.

That would be my choice...I owned one and sold it and regretted it immediately so will be buying another.


I have one and I honestly feel an AR10 or SCAR 17 would be a better choice, far and away. In fact, I'm strongly considering moving away from the HK91 and to one of those other platforms when the gun market is less frantic. Trigger, mag changes, and overall manual of arms are a thousand times better, and I say that as someone who has no problem working the rifle. The HK G3 family just really doesn't make as much sense for the role now, surely not the way it did even ten years ago.
 
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The Garand cost me around $2,200 to build



This one, with the Vortex Razor optic and the titanium Sadlak scope mount, comes in around $5k. Without those items, it's more like $2,500.


Tony.


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OP, they make M1Garands in 308. We had one at the armory in Portsmouth..the Chief came down to the line one day and was shooting at the other end of the line when he came over and asked about the funny brass he had found....someone (him) checked out the 308 M1 and actually used the 30-06 M1....makes weird brass to be sure...he didn’t believe me until I went and got the other M1 we had and showed him.....the 308 chambered one had a special block in it to keep you from trying to use the 30-06 ammo.



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Posts: 7555 | Location: Temple, Texas! | Registered: October 07, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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For a battle rifle it would be/is a SCAR 17. It's a bit of a dated platform/design, so-to-speak, but a rock solid rifle that you can bet your life on. I'd have no problem taking it into a shit-storm as it will digest any brand .308, take beating and run and run.

Put a Magpul bipod on it, a SOCOM RC2 can, a Geissele trigger,a Surefire light, a Scope and you're set. If no Scope, the stock iron sights are exceptional. Comparatively, it's a light .308 rifle and one that I prefer over the M14. But, you'd want to sling it just like any of its competitors.
 
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My dealer uses an Knights SR25 - it's an awesome rifle for $ 5K or so. He has it dialed in with a suppressor.

If you want something proven and has a clip of 8 rounds I suggest looking at the Garands.
 
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One has to evaluate if they need $5k worth of battle rifle. For most of us, that additional $3500 could be used elsewhere.

I guess you get some range cred, with the high $$ rifle & all. No not jealous, don’t mind a bit if the guy next door has the high $$ rifle.
 
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No need to spend a dime on another rifle. Just purchase a 300 blackout upper and attach it to your 556 lower.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVcsbHC2FA
 
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The 300 blackout was meant to outclass pistol caliber carbines and doesn't fall into the category of "battle rifle."

Tony.


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Tens of thousands of operators with sbr’s and cans would beg to differ but okay.

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You're the third person in this thread to show some confusion about what constitutes a battle rifle. I defined it above.

If we're all in agreement about the terminology, we can then begin to communicate effectively.
 
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fwiw
OP is asking for a larger caliber that compliments what he already has.
 
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Yes, I mean a traditional battle rifle.

I look at an M1A/M14 with wood stock and it tickles my fancy.

But I see the practicality of an AR-10.

I suppose long-term I’d end up with both.

Enjoying the information though.




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Yeah, that M14 video guy...
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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
Yes, I mean a traditional battle rifle.

I look at an M1A/M14 with wood stock and it tickles my fancy.

But I see the practicality of an AR-10.

I suppose long-term I’d end up with both.

Enjoying the information though.


To ease the pinch, I recommend building one in stages. Start with a LRB receiver and we can make you a beauty from there.

Tony.


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www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction).
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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
Yes, I mean a traditional battle rifle.

I look at an M1A/M14 with wood stock and it tickles my fancy.

But I see the practicality of an AR-10.

I suppose long-term I’d end up with both.

Enjoying the information though.


To ease the pinch, I recommend building one in stages. Start with a LRB receiver and we can make you a beauty from there.

Tony.


Honest question...how much benefit would the extra to build one get me over say, a Springfield M1A Scout?




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Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard.
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Posts: 10835 | Location: NC | Registered: August 16, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by benny6:
The Garand cost me around $2,200 to build



This one, with the Vortex Razor optic and the titanium Sadlak scope mount, comes in around $5k. Without those items, it's more like $2,500.


Tony.


I carried the M21 in the Army. I'm also National Match Armorer qualified. From that perspective, I gotta say that this guy is doing things right.

The M14/M1A has some severe design flaws that can be dangerous if not attended to. The only solution to these problems that I would accept in a civilian M1A is to have it hand made from scratch.

Well, that is if you want that particular rifle.

Personally, I like the FAL. It's a dated design in light of all the bells and whistles we use these days - but as a battle rifle it is the best all around package. Again, as a dedicated battle rifle.

I own a SCAR and haven't noticed anything unusual about it. It's very accurate for what it is,...... but it's new,.... and has a conflicting battle record,..... I like it but it's not proven.

The G3 is under rated. The roller lock system will handle ANY ammo you run trough it. Ergonomics are crap and it's difficult (or impossible) to mount optics on it. It's easy to hit a gong at 500yds so I think it has good accuracy.

That's the limits of what I have hands on knowledge of.

I've been thinking about buying an AR10. Anyone got a recommendation?

Thanks,

V.
 
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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
Honest question...how much benefit would the extra to build one get me over say, a Springfield M1A Scout?


Interested in the answer also, been looking at a Scout vs an entry level AR-10





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Everyone has seem to have forgotten about the venerable IWI Galil ACE in .308. A phenominal thumper that takes cheap mags unlike the SCAR and is also almost half the price. For reference I also own a SCAR 17 so I'm not a hater by any stretch.



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