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I'm interested in getting another 9mm sub-gun, and while I have wanted an MP5 for some time, the B&T guns have me intrigued (and cost about the same as MP5 clones). However, since B&T seems to offer multiple different sub-guns (GHM9, APC9, KH0), can anyone provide a quick rundown of the differences? On the surface there done seem to be many, but I know a company wouldn't offer 3 similar products unless they had significant differences between them.
 
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KH9 is a limited release model...basically a modern update of the SITES Spectre and is a blow-back design and top-charging. The GHM9 is a more budget-minded derivation of that the KH9 that is a more traditional layout.

The APC9 is blow-back as well but has a hydraulic damper system at the rear and is the smoothest firing of the three.

There's also the P26 which is a modern Tec-9 and the TP9 which is a blow-back semi version of teh MP9 which was originally a Steyr design.

Lastly, there's the weird pistol form factor USW which you can add a stock to. Think of it as a Sphinx SDP with Aimpoint micro optic and stock. Carry on the hip, fire from the shoulder.
 
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Same mag on all of the 9mm, by the way, except the USW.

GHM9 2.0 is shipping now as well. Rumors of a Glock mag version, too.
 
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Rumors of a Glock mag version, too.


No rumor there Big Grin They exist and are coming. I half way think B&T is trolling all the "DoEs iT taKe gLOcK MagS" folks




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PGT, thank you for the excellent run down, very helpful


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Same mag on all of the 9mm, by the way, except the USW.

GHM9 2.0 is shipping now as well. Rumors of a Glock mag version, too.


In your opinion, is waiting for version two worth it?
 
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In addition to what PGT covered, there are a few more differences. The GHM series also has the hydrolic buffer, like the APC. Both are also available in 45. If you are SBRing, the APC has the most solid stock. The TP9, P26 & GHM use the same thin wire stock, but the GHM and APC can also take a collapsing stock as well, but costs a cool $500, so adding that stock to the GHM puts it close to the price point of the APC9. The thin wire stock on the GHM9 also winds up with a very long LOP, so you don't see many versions of that. The APC is also available in an SD version, that is compatible with the MP5-SD suppressor mounts. The GHM-9 can also be had in a compact version, with a stubby barrel.

The most popular config right now seems to be the GHM with the collapsing stock and the tail hook pistol "brace", which folks seem to like as good as a proper stock, isn't as hinkey as most other braces & avoids the tax stamp.
 
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In your opinion, is waiting for version two worth it?


Mostly, it depends on how valuable you think glock compatibility is. The Gen2 has an upper and bolt that will let you buy a glock mag lower. There's apparently some other changes to allow you to swap barrel/frontend, too.

There are some details here.
 
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I have the APC9, TP9 and a P26 all SBR'd. If I get another it'll be a GHM9 G2 Compact and I'll add the brace. They only brought in 50 of the compacts.

If you're only getting one I'd go with the APC or GHM




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And....I just brought home a GHM9 G2 Compact with brace from my buddy's shop. Its a handy little package.
 
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How much are the mags for the GHM9 G2?


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Why is GHM cheaper than the APC? Or rather why would one buy the APC if it cost more $?
 
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And....I just brought home a GHM9 G2 Compact with brace from my buddy's shop. Its a handy little package.


Any pics of the compacto?




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Very cool, thanks. Hope to get one eventually.




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The Scorpion Killer?


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The Scorpion Killer?

At twice the price, I think not.

Its like comparing a SIG Legion to a Glock, IMO.
 
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PGT, I see that Tailhook on there. Is that a ready made setup or did you need to buy a factory stock, a Tailhook mod 1, and an adapter?
 
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It’s a B&T accessory https://www.rainierarms.com/b-...ter-w-tailhook-mod1/


$600!?! Wow...
 
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Yes...not cheap. But, at about $1850-1900, the entire thing is cheaper than an APC9 pistol alone
 
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