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Ive shot the 45-70 , but not the 30-30.

Question:
to those that have shot numerous rounds through both,

Choices:
about the same recoil, very similar
45-70 less recoil
30-30 less recoil
45-70 much less
30-30 much less
45-70 punishing 5 rounds max!
30-30 punishing 5 rounds max!
shoot both all day w/o concern

 





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Posts: 48960 | Location: Henry County , Il | Registered: February 10, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I've shot a fair number of rounds through each, though not side by side. There's definitely more recoil with the 45-70, with the loads I shot. Note that loads can vary substantially in power for the 45-70.

According to rifle recoil charts, with common recoil energies in foot-pounds:
30-30 = 10-12 foot pounds
45-70 = 20-35

by comparison to other common rifle rounds:
223 = 2-3 foot pounds
243 = 9-11
308 = 16-18
300WM = 24-26
 
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I've got a fair amount of rounds through my Marlin 336 & have never had any discomfort from it. Never had the opportunity to try a 45-70.

I agree with fritz's figures above, in that I'd put the 30-30 a bit below a 308.




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Posts: 7448 | Location: Spring, TX | Registered: July 11, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I find the .30-30 a nasty kicker.
The Newtonian Recoil is not great but the light weight and narrow hard buttplate make sure you feel it all.

I would hunt with it or a .45-70 but for BPCR match shooting I went with a .40-65.
 
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I own and shoot both. There's not even a comparison. Shooting comparable loads intended for the same purpose (ie Hornady LeverEvolution out of both), the .45-70 is going to be significantly more abusive. I've never felt discomfort when shooting my .30-30...I couldn't get though a full box of 20 325gr LeverEvolution the first time I took my .45-70 out.

Now like everything, this comes with a couple of caveats. First, shooting off a bench or prone vs standing is going to make a big difference in the amount of recoil your body can handle, because standing will allow your body to roll more with the recoil than a benched or prone position will.

Also, the .45-70 in particular, can be loaded from mild to wild...there's everything out there from mild pop-gun cowboy loads all the way up to stuff that will go all the way through a bear. So it is possible to get loads, even commercially, that will shoot softer out of a .45-70 than a .30-30 hunting load. But all things being equal, the .45-70 is going to have significantly more thump.
 
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If you want to plink endlessly with 45-70, limit yourself to the 300 grain loads. As for 30-30, for me its a matter of stock type. I have a turn of the century 1894 with a crescent steel butt plate that thumps me good. My modern Marlins are quite comfortable in comparison. And my trusty PAST recoil pad for bad thumpers is my friend.


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With full power loads, the 30-30 can't hold a candle to the 45-70 in terms of felt recoil.




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I've shot 45-70 loads I could shoot all day. And some where 5 is more than enough, so it depends.

I've never found a 30-30 objectionable, no matter the load, or how light the rifle, or it's lack of padded butt plate.


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It depends....

When I had my 45-70 I could make a 405 grain bullet beat me all to hell or just feel like a popgun....I reloaded for it and I really didn’t like the leverloution ammo cause it really beats you up. But a 405 grain bullet over 13grains of unique and your kid could shoot it all day.

I loved using real black powder and it was more of a push than a kick in the recoil department.



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Posts: 6635 | Location: Texas! | Registered: October 07, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Shooting factory loads for the 45-70 , I find the recoil very tolerable...similar to a 12 gauge. More of a push than a jab. 18" barrel with recoil pad, no muzzle brake.
I've only shot a 30-30 youth model Marlin ( small and fairly light ) a few times ( with factory loads) and found it to be surprisingly sharp recoil. I didn't like the recoil much at all. Much prefer the 45-70.
That being said , the 45-70 can be reloaded or shot with custom ammo that is quite nasty.
 
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the .30-30 is a brush gun. The .45-70 is field artillery at the higher load levels. Stock shape is really important. Cowboy .45-70 loads are lighter than hot .30-30. Hot .45-70 makes a .30-30 feel like a .410
 
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I have a Uberti High Wall replica in .45-70 that I can reload for noobs and range guests so that they are not that intimidated, say 405gr over 33gr of 4198.

Here's a pal's son shooting this load - he has NEVER fired ANY kind of rifle before in his entire life, BTW -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTYQzcyics

Or they can have the full-fat version of a 500gr bullet and a compressed BP load of 65gr to get a more full effect.

With the crescent butt-plate, that can be a mite intimidating.

The only .30-30 I've fired is a Savage Model 99, made in 1906, seemed so-so in terms of recoil, but then I shoot a lot of centre fire rifle, and have done for the last sixty+ years, so recoil is pretty much of a meh to me.
 
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the 45-70 that I shot was a new marlin,scoped,
I put 45 rounds through it with out a flinch.

must have been the 300 gr. ammo





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If your rifle will handle it, try some Buffalo Bore 405 gr. J.F.N.(2,000fps/M.E.3,597 ft.lbs.)
 
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the rifle I was shooting was A Marlin rep's,

he brought 8 rifles and a pallet stacked three cases deep with ammo , one day, oh and he fed us also.





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The rifles make a huge difference.
I have never fired a 45-70, but the one time I remember firing a 30-30 cartridge from a Winchester 94, it was most uncomfortable. The owner also insisted that his skinny teen-aged son fire it as well, and that may have been the last time the young man shot a gun of any type.




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