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Telecom Ronin
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The Hòney Badger is a AR15 pistol with a proprietary arm brace and recently the ATF has contacted the manufacturer to tell them that the ATF has "determined" that the Honey Badger is now considered an SBR.

I have watched a couple videos and read a few articles but evidently the ATF gave no reason for their new determination.

Anyone have any details on why they are picking on this particular AR pistol?

One of the articles
https://www.breitbart.com/poli...er-braces-under-nfa/
 
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I am wondering if it is due to the platform on the buffer tube that looks to be made for a attain a good cheekweld?

https://www.guns.com/news/2020...er-on-q-honey-badger
 
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Originally posted by dewhorse:
The Hòney Badger is a AR15 pistol with a proprietary arm brace and recently the ATF has contacted the manufacturer to tell them that the ATF has "determined" that the Honey Badger is now considered an SBR.


We heard:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...290043574#7290043574


http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...580043574#3580043574


The letter from the Boston ATF office merely states that the gun is “designed” to be fired from the shoulder and as I understand it, there has been no further explanation of that determination forthcoming in responses to requests. What something is “designed” for is in the mind of the producer, whereas what it can be used for is objective: A pair of scissors that was designed and sold to cut paper could be used as a deadly weapon under some circumstances.

All similar “arm braces,” or even a naked receiver extension (buffer tube) can be used to permit firing the gun from one’s shoulder, but was that their intended design? To reiterate, the ATF letter to Q doesn’t explain the basis for the decision, and we probably won’t know if other designs are permitted until the agency does.

My speculation is that the local Boston office made a unilateral decision to ban the product without consulting the headquarters, but I’m just guessing of course.

Added: Somewhere I believe I saw it stated that promotional materials produced by the company, Q, showed the gun being fired from the shoulder using the brace for stabilization. If that’s true, then not only was it stunningly stupid on its part, but then it could be argued that that was the purpose of its design, manufacture, and sale.




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Doh...thank you
 
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local rumor mill says the owner of Q has a history of conflict with the ATF over something in his past business practices,
and that now the ATF has a hardon and watches every thing he does,

also mentioned was that the dimensions of the brace was off just enough of the standard braces available now to cause a relook at braces, specifically his,
something about overall LOP (Lenght of Pull),

again, rumor mill from some tacticool guys in this area,

no idea if true, but it would not surprise me if someone was trying to pad a resume in tech branch



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bc the ATF is a bunch of crooked, degenerates and needs to be done away. pretty much sums it up
 
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local rumor mill says the owner of Q has a history of conflict with the ATF over something in his past business practices,



He's a bit EXCENTIC to say the least.


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local rumor mill says the owner of Q has a history of conflict with the ATF over something in his past business practices,



He's a bit EXCENTIC to say the least.


More like asshole.


David W.

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local rumor mill says the owner of Q has a history of conflict with the ATF over something in his past business practices,



He's a bit EXCENTIC to say the least.


More like asshole.


When he used to live in Georgia and was still working for Sig, he was in a local shop I happened to be in at the time. That was my impression from the conversation.
 
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Other posts elsewhere show they have suspended it.


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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Other posts elsewhere show they have suspended it.


Suspended what?
The cease and desist letter?

Answered my own questions; link:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...858/m/2570023574/p/2




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Originally posted by dewhorse:
I am wondering if it is due to the platform on the buffer tube that looks to be made for a attain a good cheekweld?

https://www.guns.com/news/2020...er-on-q-honey-badger

Perhaps so. Combine that in conjunction with the brace extended for a rifle-like length of pull, and the talk about the contentious relationship the company has had in the past with ATF. Generally it's NOT a good idea to get in the crosshairs of what can be a very spiteful agency, especially if one is inclined to really piss people off along the way while doing so.


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