http://www.para-usa.com/new/vi...c45d9fb42e8eb2ea0a32

With all the piston debate etc. this product actually interests me. It's still DI but done a little different. It kind of reminds me of what the Russians did to eliminate recoil in their newest designs. They do also claim it runs cleaner but I don't quite understand their manifold injector system.

Good video. The local gun shop has one of these, and it handles really well. The stock is ugly, but functional, and is growing on me.

tell me if I'm wrong but, aren't these the same as the old ZM Rifles? Para bought them right?

That's what I have heard.

Interesting. I guess that's an op rod impingement system??

At the right price[dealer], I think I'd try one. I'm thinkin' maybe the gas system feeds clean air into the gas-cycle, kinda like air-pumps on cars. If so, it might be pretty clean.

I've yet to see it advertised big time yet the buzz and talk was ahead of the Ruger 556. For that matter I don't think I've seen it at stores.

No price is obviously a plot to make us all crazy.

It looks as though the BCA has all of the replacement parts in common with the AR's BCA.

A different breakdown but very easy. Any word on release??

I think it's interesting, but will it do anything that my SCAR, LWRC M6A1 or LaRue won't do? It's not enough of an innovation for me to want to spend that amount of money for it.

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Originally posted by K.O.A.M.:
I think it's interesting, but will it do anything that my SCAR, LWRC M6A1 or LaRue won't do? It's not enough of an innovation for me to want to spend that amount of money for it.

Supposedly that system on the Para (ZM weapons) was out before the SCAR, LWRC, and Larue were even blueprints. If it is indeed the ZM Weapons rifle rebadged to Para. If not then it's just like every other Ar15 out there, boring.

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Originally posted by mrmn50:
No price is obviously a plot to make us all crazy.

It looks as though the BCA has all of the replacement parts in common with the AR's BCA.

A different breakdown but very easy. Any word on release??

There has been one at my local gun shop for at least a month.

OT: anyone know what sight this is?

Does it use the ironsights normally or is this dude just cowitnessing it?

Thanks in advance

it's a C-more. Has the AR sights built right into the red dot.

C-More was all over their video.
That company is spending some bucks on marketing.

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Originally posted by Vermilion:

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Originally posted by K.O.A.M.:
I think it's interesting, but will it do anything that my SCAR, LWRC M6A1 or LaRue won't do? It's not enough of an innovation for me to want to spend that amount of money for it.

Supposedly that system on the Para (ZM weapons) was out before the SCAR, LWRC, and Larue were even blueprints. If it is indeed the ZM Weapons rifle rebadged to Para. If not then it's just like every other Ar15 out there, boring.

It looks like the ZM design. I'm just saying is that Para marketing it now will appeal to Para collectors. I don't think it will do anything so extraordinary to justify me purchasing it when I have three first rate .223's.

I know a guy who works around the corner from the Para USA facility and a bud of his at a nearby gun shop said the latest on his price list from Para was 2200.00, whenever they are released.

Those have been out for more than a year now. It is nothing more than ZM Weapons unit. Para bought the rights.

Guns Galore in Fenton, MI has had one sitting on their shelf for a year+..... since October 2008. No takers yet.

I looked at it thoroughly. I bought a LMT MRP Piston instead.

The stock is heavy, ugly and not very ergonomic. They need to design a better looking folding stock or just market it with some sort of Magpul stock on it.

I like it...a lot. ...and I think the stock is very cool. Maybe if enough of them sit around at dealers for long enough, they might just get affordable.

The ZM system is incredibly reliable (so I've read).

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Originally posted by DonovanM:
OT: anyone know what sight this is?

Does it use the ironsights normally or is this dude just cowitnessing it?

Thanks in advance

He needs a NEW pair of gloves!

*snicker* I see Todd Jarrett had difficulty saying "revolutionary." *snicker*

Cool marketing but I'm not dumping money to Para Ordnance. I gotta admit though, I like that stock.