I've fired a 12 gauge pistol grip pump. It's a handful. I don't believe I fired reduced recoil loads through one. But for those that have fired a 20 gauge pistol grip pump, is the recoil impulse noticeably different than that of a 12 gauge?
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You should try my 870 with a limbsaver.
It's super tamed down compared to how it used to be.
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I think he means a Pistol grip only pump, like Mossberg's Shockwave.
ah - that makes more sense.
the shockwaves arent too bad (I have the tac14) - i think the grip angle alleviates some of the pain.
But the ones with the vert grip in the back and no shoulder stock... yeah those can be pretty brutal
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The shockwave isn’t what he shows in his example picture.
I don’t like vertical pistol gripped shotguns like the one pictured, though I have not fired a 20 gauge version. But with the invention of the Shockwave and Tac-14 I don’t see any reason to ever own one. The Shockwave grip handles recoil better IMO and with low recoil buck the 12ga is quite manageable.
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I posted before he edited the post and added the photo.
Well yeah... the 20ga is less.
I've owned a 20ga camper, 12ga 500C PG and a shockwave.
Problem is there was a span of many many years in between shooting all of them so I have no side by side judgment. But the 20 was surely less. But that plastic grip is the painful part. The shockwave type grip does make it more comfortable.
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It's 8 less gauges.
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While it is less, many 20 gauges also weigh less, like the Mossberg 500s. For recoil sensitive shooters they still find it unpleasant. Adding a limbsaver and low recoil loads (980 fps) made it very manageable however.
Also, I've found everyone's hands are shaped differently and handle recoil differently. I personally like the old TacStar setup with the tommy gun style dual grips front and back. I find that dividing the recoil makes it much more pleasant. I dunno if they're still made, seems like I see the rear grips a lot but not the front. I suppose you could put a grip on a forend rail.
Mossberg makes the Shockwave in 20 gauge. Less recoil than a 12. Pistolgrip sort of amplify recoil vs the Shockwave grip.
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I don't have a pistol grip shotty, but I own the Shockwave in 20 gauge and it does have less recoil than the 12 g model.
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12 ga. with a pistol grip isn't bad at all IMO, provided you don't put 3" mags through it. That'll make your hand hurt for awhile. Stick with 2 3/4s and it's fine.
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I will never buy/fire a 12 Ga pistol grip only shotgun again, unless it's the last resort. The first, and last, time I shot it, I had wrist drop for days.
Thanks for posting this. I have wondered about these since they came out and almost ordered one.Something inside me said this is not a good idea.
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Ever watch any of those gun fail mashup videos on YouTube? About 50% of them feature one of these pistol grip type shotguns, or folks trying to fire a shotgun without properly shouldering it. I'll admit to having tried it myself once...only once. I have no desire to ever do so again, much less own one of these things.
When you say “these” do you mean a shotgun like the OP pictured? Or the Tac-14/Shockwave type? Just to repeat what I said before they are two totally different shooters. I hate traditional vertical pistol grip shotguns but the birds head grip is amazingly easy to shoot.
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I have shot an 870 with two different grips. The first was a solid plastic grip. It was awful. We were shooting shells from a bucket of miscellaneous leftovers that my buddy had collected. I accidentally shot a 3” magnum. My hand truly hurt for days.
I later shot one with the Hogue reduced recoil rubberized grip. Bracing it again my stomach, it was no problem at all. It is still my primary HD long gun.
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Ha ha ha, I remembered doing that after shooting a few rounds unsupported. Really helped. But, by then, the damage to the wrist was already done.
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The Marshals had what was called a WP 870; it was essentially the Shockwave, but built on an 870 receiver. The bird's head grip makes a world of difference,
I would go with the 12ga and use low recoil shells.
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