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IMI barrels aren't available, that I have ever seen (plus they would then need to substitute another American part for 922R) but proper American barrels are available, when Hillbilly can source them. SAR SBR is the way to go. If the build is going to take longer than a stamp, no way I would do otherwise. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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I'm picture challenged on this computer, but it's awesome. I used a Tortort receiver. The whole thing started when I was able to source an IMI barrel of GB. I originally contacted him to convert my preban to a SAR. He talked me out of it and suggested that for the price of a receiver, a kit, and his services I could have two Galils, with a preban that's only going to appreciate in value. So I did it his way, and when he got the parts, he let me know that my barrel was marginal and that he recommended a new one that he could source. I went with his suggestions. It was a little bit of a wait, but I am really pleased with the result. What, me worry? | |||
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So he said your IMI barrel was marginal? Shot too much, or something? I too was talked out of converting my IMI Action Arms 386 to an SAR for the same reasons. The purists make a strong case. I do recall there being IMI barrels many moons ago, out there in the wild but my memory is unreliable anymore. Sitting around Thanksgiving watching Larry Vickers dumping mags in his genuine article FA Galil SAR. What I wouldn't do for one of those babies. 8lbs though, I gotta remember that so as not to get Galil sickness too bad. | |||
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I had a pre-ban Galil AR (polymer hand guard, no bipod) with the shorter 16" barrel. It went to a guy in MA where they can only have pre-bans. Only issue with the barrel was it was 1/12 which limited ammo options. I've been told that as the Israeli's transitioned to M16 variants the Galils were often used with the 50 round magazine in a SAW or IAR type role. This (excessive wear) could account for barrel issues with surplus / early parts kit barrels. I've heard of issues with the ORF receivers being out of spec and causing issues. | |||
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Jeff at Hillbilly uses new barrels with 1 in 7 twist. I can hardly wait to get my project going. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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Numrich has some hand-select SAR kits in stock for a $30 premium over standard. I went for it. I posted a Form 1 question over in the Suppressed Weapons section. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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I'll add a few degrees: IMI Galil 386 w/16" barrel and IMI Uzi Model B.  Sure, both are very heavy but I eat my spinach. The Galil is surprisingly accurate, even with my clone M193 loads. Both are 1000% reliable as one would expect. Never got around to getting a synthetic forend/DXing the bipod to make it a bit more handy. Good luck with your quest.   ______________________________ Nitro smoke rewards a long days toil... | |||
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VERY Nice, IMI’s. They just don’t make them like that anymore. The new Galil ACE pistol machining, fit and finish is definitely on par though. Did get to see the entire Galil and Uzi collection and prototypes in Israel 3 years ago. Think that’s a model 392. The model 386 was 18” barrel with bayonet lug, the 392 has 16” barrel and no bayonet lug. IMI Galil/uzi trivia, the Galil top cover has the last 4 digits of the serial number on the side of the rear sight and the small numbers on the uzi barrel are the digits of the serial number. I have the same, only mines a model A blue box. Debating replacing my 32 year old dead night sights with new Meprolights. Hard to believe that people these days are selling the actual carry handle with rear handguard retainer and wood ARM handguard for almost what I paid for the Galil 392 new in the box. I really miss the 80’s, great guns, great prices, tons of ammo, Miami Vice, and hunting communists and socialists. | |||
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Thanks for catching my mistake, 392 it is as you correctly state. Ever see a YT video from one of the gun channels, that shoots this same rifle @300 yards open sights using 55 FMJ ammo, and it prints a 5 shot group the size of a large fist? So much for all AK derived variants are muskets. I always liked that they marked the receiver cover, and Uzi barrel as you mention with partial SN's... Just as a proper military weapon should. God, I had no idea those Galil parts you mentioned are so $$$... But I never thought a lot of my surplus weapons would go as price crazy as they have. Curious if you bought an IMI 50 round mag with your Galil? I have one gotten new with the Galil purchase in 1992, and I guess they are high $$$ too, if found? Sure miss the golden age of collecting that to me, the 80's, and even the 90's were... Haven't used my 03 FFL in ages to buy anything. ______________________________ Nitro smoke rewards a long days toil... | |||
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What a beauty. I had a 386 with the reg black handguard and no bipod. It's funny you mention 300 yards. I had my rifle out at the Adrenalin Proving Grounds Greenville, TX many years back, that range maxed out at 300. Way out there was an IPSC torso and I was shooting M193. Figured what the hell, took a shot at it and heard the schwak come back. Had never shot that far before. It was eye opening. I hit it every time effortlessly. I had trouble connecting with it using my 7.62x39 ak, I'd say 5 outta 10. The Galil really is something special. For a while there in the early days of youtube if you searched Galil I could be seen out there launching 30 rounds downrange. That vid disappeared somehow.   Funny story, I traded my busted Golani, a Colt 1991a1 Commander, and about 1000 cash to Diamond Dave of Elite Firearms for that Galil and 5 mags. That guy is a piece of work but he always liked me for some reason. I loved buying Galil mags, they were cheap and always worked. Had 4 of the 50s too, those suckers were heavy. I always wanted the model with the 1/7 twist barrel to use better ammo, I think that's the 392 but I can't remember. I was stuck trying to find Federal TRU 55 grain back then. Sold my Galil for 2 Bulgy 74s and 4K rounds of 7N6. Fuck me, 2160 rounds used to be 99 bucks of 7N6. What kind of nightmare are we living in now. | |||
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I'm seeing an IMI ARM barrel on Gunbroker right now. And an SAR kit with original intact barrel. Dammit the fever is back! | |||
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Thanks Pete, same for your 386. Glad you experienced the same amazing accuracy from a lowly 'AK'... I'll add to the live action shots, blazing away at distance killing mostly sagebrush nearly 30 years ago, taken with a Kodak 110 camera.  Glad the cameraman made it out alive - As you know it tosses empties with lethal velocity... WAY over-gassed IMO. Cheap ammo? I remember when a full case of NORINCO brass-cased .223 was dirt cheap, and reloadable. Pretty damn good ammo, consistent velocity when measured and full-power (just shy of 3100 fps from that 16" barrel). As for twist, if I recall correctly when I checked my 392, it was 1:12. Lastly, I agree about the Galil being special. I had an uncle who lost many of his family that lived in Poland, having been murdered at Auschwitz. He loved to shoot that Galil, Uzi, and other Israeli firearms we had, and was as hard core a "never again" person as you could meet.... Would have loved to have seen someone *try* to take his firearms away! ______________________________ Nitro smoke rewards a long days toil... | |||
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Yes, I have a few 50’s. It came with one 35rd, plastic cleaning kit with cleaning items, factory scraper/sight adjustment tool, factory black sling, manuals and AA brochures. Also for about $100 extra at the time, the guy threw in (3) extra 35’s and (3) 50’s. All are still sealed in the factory IMI boxes. Before Action Arms/IMI closed their doors, they were liquidating their supply. So my FFL buddy got me an extra plastic AR handguard, and the last 20 of their 35rd mags. They came Saran wrapped in cosmoline with printed labels on them. I’ve picked up some surplus mags plus some of the Orlite polymer ones. I’m a bit of a gear geek, my Tribe makes good stuff lol. I went to Israel 3 years ago and made it a point to go the the IDF armored corps museum at Latrun as well as the IDF museum at Tel Aviv/Jaffa. They had the most exquisite small arms collection I’ve ever seen. Plus the complete Uzi/Galil collection of production models, export versions as well as all the prototypes. I’ve acquired quite a bit of IDF stuff over the years. Helmet, pouches, webbing, EPHOD, vests, even a functional IDF gen.1 NVG to go with a restored Uzi weapon light. Even have an X95 with ITL/MARS and meproMOR.This message has been edited. Last edited by: dubagel, | |||
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That 386 that you traded for might have been mine, ha. I trade my 386 to Diamond Dave in 2004. He was a great builder, but, like you said, was hard to work with sometimes. You are right, he must have liked you. If you didn't piss him off or pester him daily about a build, he would treat you right. If the 386 you had was AAL-2081443, it passed through my greasy hands at one time. | |||
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I'll try to dig up the serial. I sold that to a guy in NY if I'm not mistaken for about 2K on the nose because I was in a pinch. Dam life squeezed me hard at that time. | |||
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Looks like it's not the same. Anybody out there who has this old girl should contact me anytime they wish to part with it.    | |||
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[/QUOTE] That 386 that you traded for might have been mine, ha. I trade my 386 to Diamond Dave in 2004. He was a great builder, but, like you said, was hard to work with sometimes. You are right, he must have liked you. If you didn't piss him off or pester him daily about a build, he would treat you right. If the 386 you had was AAL-2081443, it passed through my greasy hands at one time.[/QUOTE] I've got some hilarious stories about ol Dave. I knew him over a couple years timeframe. When he wanted to be, he was really funny. But he did so many people wrong, including a good friend of mine. I asked him once if his 7.62x39 Galil SAR actually worked, he took me to the back of his shop and there was a hole in the cinder block wall at the floor with about 10 sand bags on the ground, he said don't even think about just pop 2 off as fast as you can, and I looked at him and he yelled, "DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT JUST POP 2 OFF AS FAST AS YOU CAN." So I did. Some strip mall storefront in Bedford.  Here's an AK he made, "Alaskan" that I thought was phenominal and I should never have sold it either. Story of my life.  | |||
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I lived in Hurst for 40+ years and I've been to the same "hole in the wall", ha. Often wondered what the landlord thought when Dave moved out. I did quite a bit of trading with him and still have several rifles from his shop. I consider him a friend and spent lot of time in his shop. Used to refinish a lot of his AK wood furniture. Haven't seen him in a couple of years since he moved south to Alvarado/Cleburne area. | |||
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