oops!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM0eq_FfDNs

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Originally posted by Sig-nature:
oops!

Maybe something other than "oops"....
I won't wade through 45 minutes of youtube without knowing the basics of what's up.

The post a cliff notes. Nutnfancy loves to make a 5 minute video turn into an hour of fluff and useless banter. I refuse to watch his crap

Curiosity got to me:
I did not watch the entire thing, but starting about 25 minutes during their second range session, the trigger started malfunctioning. First were failures to fire, then it would sometimes fire when the trigger was released after being pulled hard due to failure to fire. I agree with his comment that that is an instant, total recall issue.

As an aside, I’m slightly amazed that anyone would give any credence to his accuracy (precision) testing based on the methods and rests used. He constantly makes excuses for the poor methods, but doesn’t do anything about it. Is he afraid of what will be demonstrated about him or the guns if he can’t blame those factors?

I can't believe that people go to 'sources of information' like his youtube channel.

There is solid information out there from outlets like Precision Rifle Blog.

Surely nobody is silly enough to purchase the first generation of a SIGusa product.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Surely nobody is silly enough to purchase the first generation of a SIGusa product.

This 100%. Exeter just loves to beta test their products on unsuspecting end users.

While I haven't watched the video it has apparently triggered a total recall from Sig with a request that all rifles be returned. If Nutnfancy ever decides to do an edit that deletes all of his needless and monotonous chatter then I might actually watch pertinent parts of his video. However as much as that man loves the sound of his own voice I don't expect that an edited version will ever appear.

SIG calls it a delayed fire problem, and it's serious enough for them to issue a warning to owners to NOT SHOOT your Cross. There is a serial number checker on SIG's webpage for the Cross recall but for all anyone knows that could be more about getting the return authorization started rather than actually checking to see if a gun falls within specific known batches of potentially defective rifles.

I looked at one on Saturday in .308 and my friend who owns the GS was a little pissed that it already has a recall.
It's a nice rifle and I'd have bought it except I couldn't , kind of pissed me off too !

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Curiosity got to me:
I did not watch the entire thing, but starting about 25 minutes during their second range session, the trigger started malfunctioning. First were failures to fire, then it would sometimes fire when the trigger was released after being pulled hard due to failure to fire. I agree with his comment that that is an instant, total recall issue.

As an aside, I’m slightly amazed that anyone would give any credence to his accuracy (precision) testing based on the methods and rests used. He constantly makes excuses for the poor methods, but doesn’t do anything about it. Is he afraid of what will be demonstrated about him or the guns if he can’t blame those factors?

He lost my respect at three shot groups and constant "jibber jabber" like "operational". Glad he's enjoying himself, just not for me.

Well now we know that this wasn't just an isolated incident or "curse of the desert". Sig is recalling all the Cross rifles. I filled out my registration online and was told that I would get shipping information, etc. by "end of month", which means late December. Then who knows how long its going to be before I get my rifle back. Don't know about you guys but I'm done with Sig. This happens all too often with their new products. The cross will be my LAST Sig purchase.

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This 100%. Exeter just loves to beta test their products on unsuspecting end users.

They moved from Exeter years ago.

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Originally posted by Poppy6x:
Don't know about you guys but I'm done with Sig. This happens all too often with their new products. The cross will be my LAST Sig purchase.

I thought the Cross rifle looked interesting when I saw the ads. It's not my type of rifle, as I definitely prefer traditional stocks -- such as Manners & McMillan. But I realize there are people who like the modular-type buttstocks. I know a bunch of competitors who won't go any other way.

I am not an early adopter. Doesn't matter the type of product, I don't want to be the Beta tester. When I saw that Sigforum members had purchased Cross rifles, I silently gave odds that issues might crop up. When I saw your earlier posts about the Cross rifle -- mixing up bolt action and AR10 -- I suspected a problem.

Hopefully Sig will make things right with your Cross. Going forward, I recommend doing a little more homework prior to purchasing equipment. And not diving into new products until quite a few consumers have the time to shake things out.

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Originally posted by huskerlrrp:
He lost my respect at three shot groups and constant "jibber jabber" like "operational". Glad he's enjoying himself, just not for me.

Say what you will about his videos, god knows I can’t sit through one. But he does test products beyond three magazines in his backyard, and isn’t a shill. That’s enough to earn my respect.

The Cross feels like a neat rifle; it certainly drew considerable attention from customers while it was in our rifle rack. But SIG Sauer hasn't exactly had the best luck with bolt guns in recent years. Weird considering their past history with the type both in Switzerland and Germany. They probably could stand to bring in some guidance from the Old World into Newington.

Yeah, Cohen's pledge to "do better" with new guns hasn't exactly rung true over the years. They did get the U.S. version of the P210 pegged properly, but virtually every other recent new design has had its share of initial quality problems. Testing (either too little, poorly executed or a some of both) still seems to be a real issue with these guys.

To those that own a Cross rifle, how do they group? Are they sub MOA rifles?

I never even got mine to the range. 6.5 and was waiting on the glass to arrive. I've started the recall. I'm different than most I suppose. Throughout my career, I've seen all the "favored" product fail at some point. I'm a Surefire whore but I had one of the first x200s made to T&E for them - on the range for a training day, the LED shattered during a course of fire on an early full rail Springfield. Surefire took it back, fixed it and now the X300 is the industry standard. I've watched the holy grail Glocks (model 22 in .40) bust up more than an old school Sig P model and many, many years after that issue was known. I've had the honored Remington 700 sniper rifle launch a round off just in front of my feet while holding it on safe. I really like the Sig Cross from holding it. I'm not surprised the early models released showed an issue. I'm glad nobody got hurt. Bring it in, fix it and press on. The concept still has merit. I guess I don't quit easy.

How do you fuck up a bolt gun so bad? Maybe they should've consulted with Savage or Ruger first?

I wish they would have updated the SSG 3000 and called it good. Arguably the most accurate sub $1500 rifle made. Keep what makes it so accurate, update the stock, and they would sell them like crazy.