Thinking about buying a Tavor

November 07, 2017, 09:02 PM

As the titles says.

I heard that the new Tavors have the upgraded trigger that went into the X95. True?

Is the X95 more ergonomic? Has anyone owned both?

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November 07, 2017, 09:18 PM

JJexp

MAC has a pretty good comparison video on YouTube between the X95 and the original Tavor, as far as ergonomics.

I don’t know a whole lot about the original, but I have shot one, and I do own an x95. As far as the trigger pack, I believe this is very much like the M&P pistol debate. Yes, the newer triggers are better, but still not as good as an Apex. I ended up going with the Geissele trigger pack and lightning bow, and the improvement is noticable over the stock x95 trigger.

One of the things the original has going for it is the rail locations. The x95 has a neato system of sliding covers, but mounting a light in a decent location and still maintaining a comfortable grip are not two things that go hand in hand.

November 09, 2017, 02:22 PM

darkest2000

IWI recently announced that the Tavor SARs will be discontinued and their offering will focus on the X95.

So maybe this is a good time to pick up the original Tavor which may gain some value down the road as a collector item.

November 09, 2017, 03:33 PM

Houndog

I own one of the original SAR's and have at least handled a friends X95. Don't think there is really that much of a difference. The X95 does have a slightly better trigger. However, both are pretty bad and if you care about triggers you will want to upgrade. The X95 is probably a little more intuitive for the AR owner.

However, X95's (particularly some of the early ones) have a reputation for not being that great as far as accuracy (although some dispute this). I have found my SAR to be approx. 2-2.5 MOA with Wolf Gold; and I suspect some of this is me and the fact that I'm using a 3x scope that's not really designed for bench rest shooting.

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November 09, 2017, 06:39 PM

pedropcola

I bought into Tavors. The trigger is heaavvvvy. YouTube video showed how to remove second trigger return spring that original Tavor didn’t have. Easily removed and easily replaced if you encounter issues. I never encountered issues and it dropped weight of pull by a metric shit ton.

I really like the platform and hope them discontinuing the old style makes them more valuable because I much prefer the X95.

I hate the trigger guard. I never know if I should hold it like a vertical fore grip or use it Israeli style. It’s odd. I like that on the X95 you can replace the assembly with an American style trigger guard that covers just the trigger. Add it normal AR style mag release and covered rails and trimmer shape, it’s a total win.

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November 09, 2017, 09:33 PM

JJexp

quote:
Originally posted by pedropcola:
I bought into Tavors. The trigger is heaavvvvy. YouTube video showed how to remove second trigger return spring that original Tavor didn’t have. Easily removed and easily replaced if you encounter issues. I never encountered issues and it dropped weight of pull by a metric shit ton.

I really like the platform and hope them discontinuing the old style makes them more valuable because I much prefer the X95.

I hate the trigger guard. I never know if I should hold it like a vertical fore grip or use it Israeli style. It’s odd. I like that on the X95 you can replace the assembly with an American style trigger guard that covers just the trigger. Add it normal AR style mag release and covered rails and trimmer shape, it’s a total win.

What is the Israeli style?

November 09, 2017, 10:00 PM

LDD

The X95 has the improved and lighter trigger by default.

The X95's trigger pack will fit in the SAR, but the SARs do not come with the improved trigger.

The X95's trigger guard configuration is user interchangeable. It comes with a traditional style trigger guard, but if you like the saber style guard, you can change to that configuration.

November 10, 2017, 10:33 AM

Dwill104

The X95 I bought new came with the same cutlass trigger guard as the SAR. The grip with the normal high trigger guard was something that you had to buy separately.

November 10, 2017, 01:37 PM

esdunbar

quote:
Originally posted by Dwill104:
The X95 I bought new came with the same cutlass trigger guard as the SAR. The grip with the normal high trigger guard was something that you had to buy separately.

correct, you have to buy it separately. I forget how much it was, but I don't recall it being a lot. It's a nice improvement for me as I despised the original trigger guard.

November 10, 2017, 06:08 PM

Chowser

It's $30. + shipping.

Wait till you need a bunch of stuff then buy it from their store.

I was just at the store. I bent and damaged my cocking bar so I ordered another one.

duh

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November 16, 2017, 07:37 AM

Tommydogg

quote:
Originally posted by Chowser:
It's $30. + shipping.

Wait till you need a bunch of stuff then buy it from their store.

I was just at the store. I bent and damaged my cocking bar so I ordered another one.

duh

Try Bull Pup Armory. They are out of stock of the grips at the moment. I also bent my cocking bar so I ordered it and a.firing pin and grip panels yesterday. They already free shipped! Shipping is free for vets and LEOs.

Edit, just looked, I should have it by Saturday! They are located in the 704

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November 16, 2017, 07:48 AM

pedropcola

Israeli style is multiple points of contact on gun. Basically in this regard you run your forearm flat against the front of the “trigger” guard. Watch IWI videos they do it all the time. It is a bit too contortionist for me.

November 16, 2017, 08:07 AM

Chowser

Thanks for the info. I will order from them in the future.

I couldn't get use to the cutlass style grip. My hand would constantly slide up behind the trigger whenever I changed mags so I bought the pistol style grip. And I wasn't thinking when I pinned the suppressor mount (i switched to the skinny back plate). I would have to unpin it to take it apart. I am just going to cut a bigger hole in the front end so the mount can slide through. Cheaper than sbr'ing the thing.

So far I still hate shooting it suppressed.

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November 16, 2017, 11:23 AM

LDD

quote:
Originally posted by esdunbar:
quote:
Originally posted by Dwill104:
The X95 I bought new came with the same cutlass trigger guard as the SAR. The grip with the normal high trigger guard was something that you had to buy separately.

correct, you have to buy it separately. I forget how much it was, but I don't recall it being a lot. It's a nice improvement for me as I despised the original trigger guard.

That's unfortunate, but I stand corrected in that case.