As outsiders, we rarely understand the market conditions of any company. It does make sense that Colt has a bunch of unsold civilian rifles in the distribution network -- probably just like many companies that produce ARs right now. I hope that switching production emphasis helps Colt get through their production & supply challenges.
Colt makes a good AR with a good reputation. Just look at the number of threads which recommend "just get a 6920" to new AR-15 buyers. A little lube, a little cleaning & maintenance, and a Colt just keeps running.
However, making a quality AR must not be a secret, as there are many manufacturers which also have the AR-15 down pat. IMO Colt uses great uppers and lowers, great BCGs, and quality parts for the rest of the rifle that just makes it work. But IMO Colt has been slow to understand what many American buyers want for the buttstock, handguard, trigger, and barrel.
I see a bunch of ARs in the competition circles of precision, tactical, team, and 3-gun matches. There are ARs with Colt uppers, lowers, and BCGs, but rarely complete Colt rifles. One will see complete rifles from the likes of JP, Noveske, LaRue, LMT, LWRC, DD, Wilson Combat, Rock River, and KAC in competition. IMO all of these latter companies offer barrels with greater accuracy than those from Colt.
Stepping up the accuracy game even further often means an aftermarket barrel. Think Krieger, Bartlein, Proof Research -- chambered by the likes of Compass Lake, White Oak, Craddock Precision. Here's where we start seeing true 1/2 MOA ARs, not just the "all day long, when I do my part" interwebz boasting ARs.
It all depends on what one wants from an AR. Colt makes quality ARs. But they are not necessarily the best product for all users, in all situations.
Ive got a couple DD rifles Id offer up for that challenge.
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Hell, I'll put 2 of my PSA builds in this Pepsi challenge too just to show that Colt isn't anything special.
I wish you two sharpshooters were closer to me...id hutt some feelings with my Colts.
We dont have to be close. I have Colts too, the 4 or 5 Ive owned dont shoot as well as my DD. The HBAR 20in I have here is a little over MOA.
I dont doubt that Colt can produce a sub moa gun or that you're in possession of them. I'm also not referring to just accuracy. Lots of AR's can shoot accurately until they stop shooting altogether. I wouldn't be butt hurt at all, I paid the same for my rifles as most people do for a Colt and feel I got a better product with better control over production.
WarPig, im just bustin balls. there are higher end ARs out there, but I feel like, for the money, you just cant beat a Colt. 3 of mine will shoot MOA with quality ammo and the others are close. ive owned Colts since I left the military in 92 and ive never had an issue, not anything. I like a lot of the higher end ARs but if I can buy 2 Colts for the price of one DD, Noveske, POF..ill do that. I can rely on them 100% with zero concerns.
Yeah, this is Fake News and even that cesspool called TTAG has walked back their bullshit.
The author of this email has been fired.
Colt has 4 months of inventory out in distribution. They are temporarily shifting production to fulfill foreign military sales contracts. Colt is in business to make money. Civilian AR sales are slow, FMS are cash flow for Colt.
To clarify, Colt is nkt rating to “regain” contracts, they HAVE the contracts and need to fulfill them ASAP.
Hmm..ok once inventory is gone may be an opportunity to dust off the old Colts and see if the collector market picks up some steam eh??
Luckily I was able to pick up a CCU upper from Brownells on special...they went back up to regular price over $700.00. Colt discontinued the CCU 6960, still available (maybe) plus some uppers, Colt 6920 lowers are hard to find right now ($$$).
HCM, I don't really know you, but you're OK by me. You strike me as a perceptive man.
A Colt is still a reliable buy. However.
It's 2019. The AR market has many high quality options. 20 years ago, the quality was all over the place and one needed to be diligent about who built that AR and with what. Even back then I don't think you could say "better than 90%," but it's certainly not true today.
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On topic: I think whoever was trying to boost their numbers at RSR with that email is gnawing on a big shit-sandwich right about now.
Off topic: I can remember when you bought a Colt or a Bushmaster, or you didn't buy ARs. Today, I can think of about 20 companies doing it better than Bushmaster, and about 5 doing it better than Colt. Like Arc and others have said, Colt is still a very solid choice, but the days of pretending it was the only choice are long gone.
From an investment perspective, it's probably still the best choice. Because when you go to sell it, even non-gun people or those on the peripheries will damn well know what a Colt AR is. So your possible buyer pool is huge. Only dedicated gun folks know who LMT, BCM, DD, or ADM are. If you throw that out to a novice buyer, he hasn't clue one what you're talking about. But he knows Colt. He's heard that name. And if you want to know an open secret - that's what wins buyers. Look at Honda. They haven't made the best car in America for over ten years, but people still buy the hell out of that name.
I would say a $177 million contract (split evenly with FN) would be pretty important to a company that is in bankruptcy especially when the civilian AR market is so soft.
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As soon as I saw that email come over the wire I thought of two things.
1) That moron should be fired.
2) There are so many goddamn rifles in the distribution chain that even if it were true, we could fill orders until 2020.
In the meantime, might I recommend CMMG for all your AR needs. Really good platform and well built.
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I was in my favorite local gun store yesterday. He sells lots of COLT AR rifles. He told me about this rumor going around. Then he called his national distributor while I was standing there.
The rep told him that the story is not accurate, that COLT is trying to catch up with production of contract rifles and only suspending production of the civilian platform. Whether the 'suspension' is temporary remains to be seen.
So maybe, maybe not? fwiw, the distributor said he had plenty in stock but sales were brisk after beto made his comments.
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The email from Mr. Veilleux artfully said exactly the same thing - maybe, maybe not.
While he confirmed they've suspended production to focus on contracts, and made a point to highlight their handgun lines, he didn't say a word about if, when, or under what conditions Colt would resume civilian rifle sales. The wording of that email, as published, does a great job of saying what a big 2A supporter Colt does, without ever actually confirming or denying future civilian rifle sales on the record.
So. Maybe. Maybe not.
Hopefully they come out with braced pistols for us fanboys when they wake up and realize there's still a buck to be made.
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Just weird that Colt would make a press release about it and now a week+ later it’s on drudge and the mainstream has picked it up. Just be like every other company. Make your stuff in batches. In 6 months, after your caught up and fulfilled your military contract, just quietly start making your run of ARs again. Even here in CA you can get any AR you want at a local shop pretty easily
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Depends on who's being weird - ABC has a blurb on the internutz claiming it's a reaction to recent active shooter events - even though there's absolutely nothing to that effect in any press release and all indications are that its a temporary thing. Slow week in the media, eh? Or someone trying to create a sense of momentum out of nothing at all.
No link - you're welcome to toss it in your favorite search engine if you're bored enough.
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Colt Suspends Production Of Rifles For Civilians, But Says It’s Not Why You Think
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WaPo just ran an article implying the same thing in the headline and subtitle, but then accurately reporting what the company has said - while trying real hard to bury it under active shooter references.
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