This is probably just wishful thinking but I was wondering if LEO's would be able to buy maybe like a G36c or a rifle of that sort.
im in the academy now and it would be really neat if that was possible..lol

If the firearm is a machine gun only the LE agency can purchase it.

If it's not a machine gun, but it's prevented from import because of the sporting clause there was a loop hole (not sure if it applies anymore) where a LE agency can purchase it, own it for a year, and then be able to sell it. I don't believe this loop hole applies for any NFA items.

awww i guess semi it is!

SIG and FNH have either rebate or special pricing for a majority of thier products to LEO's. Some you can purchase with a sign-off from your Chief, provided it ships to your Department. FNH requires that it be retained for twelve months after purchase. A lot of aftermarket manufacturers (LaRue) etc., offer some type of discounts on products they actually make. I don't think H&K gives a crap as far as helping anybody out purchasing thier product.....

A question regarding LEO and NFA weapons.

If a LEO purchases a machine gun with approval from his chief, say an MP5 for example, then leaves for whatever reason, is he able to keep said weapon, or does it transfer to his last station?

I've always wondered this. No real life scenarios, just a curiosity.

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Originally posted by Gibb:
If a LEO purchases a machine gun with approval from his chief, say an MP5 for example, then leaves for whatever reason, is he able to keep said weapon, or does it transfer to his last station?

Only government agencies can register new machines guns. So the gun would be owned by the agency.

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Originally posted by blasto:
SIG and FNH have either rebate or special pricing for a majority of thier products to LEO's. Some you can purchase with a sign-off from your Chief, provided it ships to your Department. FNH requires that it be retained for twelve months after purchase. A lot of aftermarket manufacturers (LaRue) etc., offer some type of discounts on products they actually make. I don't think H&K gives a crap as far as helping anybody out purchasing thier product.....

My understanding is that firearms sold to government agencies or officers for official use are not charged the Federal excise tax that is collected on guns sold to mere civilians. ATF requires the gun to be held for the 12 months, not the maker. If the gun is sold before the 12 months is up, then the FET must be collected and turned into ATF. You can see the nightmare that would turn into.

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Originally posted by PPGMD:
If the firearm is a machine gun only the LE agency can purchase it.

If it's not a machine gun, but it's prevented from import because of the sporting clause there was a loop hole (not sure if it applies anymore) where a LE agency can purchase it, own it for a year, and then be able to sell it. I don't believe this loop hole applies for any NFA items.

How does this work for a gun that is "easily converted" from semi-auto into a full auto?

Let's set aside M16s, because of how the receiver is registered and the obvious extra hole.

So, for simplicity, let's focus on HK style guns where the auto part is mainly controled by the trigger group (ok, and bolt carrier, but anyone can get a F/A bolt).

For instance, in the civilian realm, a real MSG90 would be considered an MG becuase it has the push-pin lower.

If your dept orders an MSG90, with true MSG90 trigger group (which is semi), can they transfer it to you after 1 year, or is it considered "once-an-MG-always-an-MG" in the eyes of BATFE?

[I guess same scenario could apply to MP5s, but would include NFA tax if it could be transfered to individual officer as semi-auto SBR]

Honestly LDD, I don't know, that is a question for the BATFE. I only know about this loophole because of a PSG-1 that I saw for sale.

But I doubt that the BATFE would allow anything that could easily be converted to a machine gun to be sold to civilians.

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Originally posted by PPGMD:
Honestly LDD, I don't know, that is a question for the BATFE. I only know about this loophole because of a PSG-1 that I saw for sale.

But I doubt that the BATFE would allow anything that could easily be converted to a machine gun to be sold to civilians.

Real PSG1s use the same semi auto shelf that the civilian guns have, so there's no issue of it being an NFA item.

Other examples of post ban weapons sold to government agencies and later released onto the commercial market include the DOC HK94s and occasionally the SG550.

Real PSG1s are banned from import because of the sporting clause, which is how the loop hole comes up.

I think Darkest2000's point was that PSG-1s use Clip&Shelf to secure the trigger group.

MSG90s, while outwardly very similar, use a "military style" pushpin to lock the trigger guard in, up front.

BATFE has ruled that any HK style gun with a pushpin trigger group is an MG, regardless of rate of fire.

I guess the loophole does allow for guns like the PSG-1. I know an officer who personally will own, once he retires, a post 89 Styer AUG (semi-auto).

But the jump from a PSG-1 to an MSG90 is probably insurmountable.

Otherwise, the dept loophole would be an instant post-86 machinegun factory.

ok completely off topic, how bout a USP Tactical?
i live in NY so i was wondering how the laws on an LEO purchasing this Handgun would be.

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Originally posted by Aquino914:
ok completely off topic, how bout a USP Tactical?
i live in NY so i was wondering how the laws on an LEO purchasing this Handgun would be.

That would be up to state law and agency policy. Your agency may or may not sign off on the purchase of non-approved firearms, for non duty use.

I would get a DSA FAL, actually I did, 2 of em. They are great weapons for LE, particularly if you can take advantage of their range. They are a little heavy, specially the heavy barrel models. I got a carbine, and a Medium Contour barrel. With the latteer gun, I own the real estate for 6-800 meters depending on ammo used. I use a Kahles 3-7X scope with rangfinding. Love it, you will also.
It is also the easiest rifle in its class to care for, breaks almost like a shotgun for cleaning from the proper end.