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I'm looking to buy a lever action rifle to shoot 357 magnum and 38 special.
I "think" I have settled on the 1873 version of the Winchester but have a question as to the different makers of this version.
I see Winchester made in Japan, and Uberti as my two top choices, I don't like the magazine feeding on the Henry.
I saw a Uberti Competition model that looks great and I like the shorter stroke action and butt stock but, I'm not sure if its made as well as the Japanese made Winchester.
I want a reliable rifle but, it has to look good with premium walnut and good metal work.
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"Italian clones" have always had potential metal softness/hardness issues.

(even some non clone Italian makers, which always puzzled me that they haven't figured this stuff out after making guns for 500 years or so. Wink)

The Italian companies (Pedersoli, Uberti etc etc) used to be good bargains and you dealt with the small problems that might come up because the prices were so good. I don't know if it's a dollar to Euro thing, or just the way times changes, but those Italian guns are no longer cheap... at all.

Myself, I would spend the extra and get a Miroku. (I was going to buy a '73 .357 up until my eyes started crapping out). IMO the Japanese Winchesters are better made than any Winchesters made in America in the last 55-60 years.


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I would buy the Japanese Winchester if I had the option to buy one. I've never had any problems with the Uberti rifles (Uberti also makes the Beretta Renegade, Taylor's and Cimarron).

Lots more aftermarket parts for the Uberti. Sorry not much help.




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I would buy the Japanese Winchester if I had the option to buy one. I've never had any problems with the Uberti rifles (Uberti also makes the Beretta Renegade, Taylor's and Cimarron).

Lots more aftermarket parts for the Uberti. Sorry not much help.


Of the different Uberti spin offs, is there a difference in quality from one to another?
 
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Beretta owns Uberti. The Beretta Renegade comes with a light action job. It is what my wife shoots. She likes it.

I've never seen that the Cimarron or Taylors. More about upgraded wood.




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If you’re not sold on the 73, consider the 92. Not as elegant, but the action is notably stronger.




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If you’re not sold on the 73, consider the 92. Not as elegant, but the action is notably stronger.


92's are a heck of a lot harder to take apart than a 73.




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I chose the 73 because I feel the straight to chamber feeding would be better when shooting the shorter 38 special ammo.
 
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Am in my lever gun phase as well.
I opted for a Japan made winchester in .45colt. Very happy. Fit and finish is great and it is very smooth. Not many rounds through it. I thought a "Winchester" marked gun, regardless of where made, would be worth more down the road.
 
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I thought a "Winchester" marked gun, regardless of where made, would be worth more down the road.


I think you are right, Mike.




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Take another look at Henry. I purchased a lever gun in .410 and am very impressed. Fit and finish are perfect. Nice piece of wood. Action is smooth right out of the box. Pretty handy out here. I can throw a couple of bird shot in for snakes and then a few buckshot for coyotes. Has rifle sights on it.
Also heard that new, new marlins are back where the quality used to be. Different action than a 1873 but a bit stronger. Probably doesn't matter with pistol calibers.
 
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Not on your radar, but I'm very happy with my recently purchased Marlin 357 lever rifle.


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Also heard that new, new marlins are back where the quality used to be. Different action than a 1873 but a bit stronger. Probably doesn't matter with pistol calibers.


For what the Winnies cost, you can find a very nice pre-Remington Marlin for less. Current guns are better than they were initially after the takeover, but they are still producing a good number of flawed guns. You get a very strong action, extreme ease of disassembly, and the added bonus of a receiver that is scope friendly. One more plus is that value on a JM .357 will never go down, only up.




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I just saw a Winchester 1873 in 357 at a local gun store here in Temple...

It was heavy with the octagon barrel, but it was beautiful.



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Am in my lever gun phase as well.
I opted for a Japan made winchester in .45colt. Very happy. Fit and finish is great and it is very smooth. Not many rounds through it. I thought a "Winchester" marked gun, regardless of where made, would be worth more down the road.


I have to admit I really would like to see Winchester on the side of the barrel, even if its next to Japan.
As nice as the Italian made rifles look I just get a "gut twitch" when I see an Italian stamping
 
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I ended up ordering a Winchester in 357 mag.
Its a Winchester Deluxe grade with grade V-VI walnut and case hardened metal work,24" octagon barrel. labeled Shot Show special.
It better be gorgeous for what I paid.
Hopefully working the lever and looking at it will soften the blow.If I still need more comfort I guess I will actually shoot it.
Another item scratched off the bucket list.
 
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I ended up ordering a Winchester in 357 mag.


I think you'll be happy with that! Shoot the heck out of it.




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Well online that rifle looks beautiful. Hope that its all you wanted.


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Check out this Video Review of the Winchester by one of the best shooters in SASS.
https://www.sassnet.com/forums...873-short-rifle-357/




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If I still need more comfort I guess I will actually shoot it.


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