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Originally posted by sig228-gsr:

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Originally posted by jager1:
No, the post was directed to Chukie1 for bashing the people who make their own 551's. I have the upmost respect for the people who convert the lame duck 556, into the nicer 551, I myself would like to do that on one day. I am on your side. I thought I made it pretty clear in the post who I was bashing, as I started it with Chuckie the users name. So sir you may kiss my behind now. I also agree with you that his post belongs in ar15.com. But, I will have to formally reject your invitation to join that forum, this one is just fine.

I'm very sorry I jumped all over you and I apologies. Remind me to buy you a beer if our paths ever cross.

Sounds good, I got your back.

I dont understand the money thing. People are paying and buying copies of MP40s and MP44s that dont even work well and have issues with broken parts but are willing to pay $2500 for them.

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Originally posted by ARDOC:
I dont understand the money thing. People are paying and buying copies of MP40s and MP44s that dont even work well and have issues with broken parts but are willing to pay $2500 for them.

It's easy. You bought one, you're happy. Good for you.

For others, no one will understand and they'd rather spend the money elsewhere. That's their business. I don't think I can convince too many people why $3000 Schmidt and Bender glass are such great glass either.

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*edit* I am not trying to piss anyone off, I just never understood why the Sig 551 has always commanded such an expensive price tag. Is it really that much better than the competition?

A real Swiss 551 is. Nothing based on a 556 is worth that kind of money to me.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
For that price I could buy a Sig 556, Colt 6920 and probably still have money left over for a dedicated 22lr AR15 upper and ammo.

I just dont see why that gun can be worth that price tag. Are they really that much more fun to shoot or is it just that they are so rare?

*edit* I am not trying to piss anyone off, I just never understood why the Sig 551 has always commanded such an expensive price tag. Is it really that much better than the competition?

Same reason people spend half a million dollars on forty-year-old muscle cars.

They want to, and they can.

Seeing as vendors, manufacturers, and private sellers are not stupid, they are more than willing to take every cent the consumer is willing to pay.

I know next to nothing about the Sig 551. A friend of mine was recently trying to talk me into buying one, and he told me that they are the "Lamborghini of rifles". What about the Sig 551 makes it better and more expensive than any other high-end battle rifle (such as a DSA or ARS-built FAL, or an LRB M14, or a Noveske AR)? Is the Sig 551 better than, say, an HK91 or HK93?

There was some sort of 556 limited edition at the last gun show.

It looked like it had 551 hand guards on it.

Sounds like the Commando which I think mississippigal (in the For Sale Forum) can still get:




Mitch

YEAH!

That's it!

It was almost $1600, though.

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Originally posted by steel:
I know next to nothing about the Sig 551. A friend of mine was recently trying to talk me into buying one, and he told me that they are the "Lamborghini of rifles". What about the Sig 551 makes it better and more expensive than any other high-end battle rifle (such as a DSA or ARS-built FAL, or an LRB M14, or a Noveske AR)? Is the Sig 551 better than, say, an HK91 or HK93?

Best way to understand it is a watch analogy.

A Sig 551 is like a Rolex while HK is like a Seiko. Dont forget though there are lots of Timex's and others out there.

They all do the same thing. But its the style you do it in.

Doesnt mean much.

Some would rather get a clone AR15 and use the rest of the money to buy ammo.

Perfectly acceptable.

Depends on the person and how much disposible money you have.

Here is my half baked, after marker hack job:

That looks sweet galil4x4!

And... The gasblock matches the rest of the rifle!

That does look nice. From everything I've seen, WCA has done a wonderful job with them. Me, personally, if I'm spending $3k on a rifle, I'm buying a preban FAL. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by ARDOC:

Best way to understand it is a watch analogy.

A Sig 551 is like a Rolex while HK is like a Seiko. Dont forget though there are lots of Timex's and others out there.

They all do the same thing. But its the style you do it in.

Doesnt mean much.

Some would rather get a clone AR15 and use the rest of the money to buy ammo.

Perfectly acceptable.

Depends on the person and how much disposible money you have.

I sure would like to handle a 551 to see what all the hoopla is about. I do have a Rolex that stopped working, though .

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What about the Sig 551 makes it better and more expensive than any other high-end battle rifle (such as a DSA or ARS-built FAL, or an LRB M14, or a Noveske AR)?

Supply and demand has added a heavy premium to the 551. While I am certain the weapon is of high quality and is accuracy tested with Swiss precision, it would be difficult to quantify the difference in relation to price; is a 551 10 thousand dollars better than a HK93?, 12 thousand better custom AR? - tough to prove. However you can say that a HK94 in 1987 was $800, and now over 3k - Has the gun changed? Not at all - availability has though. There were so few 551's imported that the price for them is less related to quality than it is supply - You can get a 551 in Canada for 3K all day long - now if the argument is whether a 551 at 3k is substantially superior to a AR at 1.5k you may have an easier time deciding....

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Originally posted by Belgian Blue:

Again... "NEVER" is a LONG time and an absolute term that neither YOU or anyone else can really predict with any certainty approaching the finality of the term "NEVER". Are you a SIG Sauer employee? Are you a majority stock holder that is likely to own controlling shares beyond the term of their current boss Ron Cohen? If not, then all you got is a WAG (Wild A$$ Guess) as to what the future holds.

[QUOTE]There are only 250 rifles produced by this project. Get one while you can. The price they are asking is worth every penny.

Ya think so? For the premium you get what? a side folder that many contend is actually LESS functional and practical than the original M4 stock on the 556. Also, you get proprietary magazines that are more expensive and less common than current NATO magazines. Further, most would contend they are actually BEHIND the performance curve when compared to MagPul PMags. You also get a heavier carbine, for those who don't think the 556 is heavy enough as it is.

Here's what you DON'T get:

1) Swiss Diopeter Sights
2) Swiss Quality Control in the upper receiver components.
3) A factory certified test target proofed at 300m.
4) Handguards that don't shift and wiggle in the gas block.
5) A gas block that MATCHES THE RECEIVER color.
6) A welded on receiver rail that's guaranteed to be straight.
7) ILAFLON finished upper.

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This is a real SIG produced rifle, not some half baked after market hack job.

This one's my favorite... What exactly is your point??? Have you been following SIG Sauer USA's quality trend lately? The irony here is that many would actually PREFER a product that was finished by an aftermarket vendor who took a certain amount of pride in the products they produce.

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Good luck in finding a real 55X Swiss lower. If you do, get ready to cough up. You will still have a 556 half breed.

I don't know... JoshNC & KB don't seem to have much trouble finding them. Sure they cost, but that's what hobbies are for. BTW... This offering is also a half breed that sells for MORE than REAL 551s do in unrestricted markets.

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I only wish I had more available cash as I would buy (Invest) in more than the one I could afford.

If you think this is a good "investment" then you're silly as hell. Any number of good stocks or mutual funds will BEAT THE HELL out of most any firearm long term. Of the few investment grade firearms to be had... This AIN'T IT. Your money would be FAR better spent on three 6920's.

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I just came by this post and wanted to ask how are those stocks and mutuals doing for ya?

Second, isnt Sig Sauer a privately held company? So that means that they march to the beat of their own drum...not some stock holder.

P.S. If there are any of these West Coast rifles left I will most likely buy one in the next two months.