I found this while browsing the Sig webpage today.

http://www.sig551.com/index.php/the-sig-sg-551

That is sorta old news for this site.

I think it's a step in the right direction personally.

Says the first ones would have shipped on Aug 8th. Anybody get one?

They appear to be selling fairly well.

For that price I could buy two quality rifles I just don't get the reason that they are so expensive. They may be great rifles but I doubt they are $3700 worth of great.

These 250 rifles are the only 551 type that SIG USA will produce. SIG USA can not produce this type of rifle ever again. For you 551 fan boys that have been sitting back waiting for SIG to produce a 551 type of rifle, It's not going to happen outside of this special project. This is as close to a real 551 pre ban that you can get without plunking down $10-11k. Lance Kilgore and crew of West Coast Armory are to be applauded for taking on a project of this scope. This is a one shot good deal that will never be repeated. Ever. There are only 250 rifles produced by this project. Get one while you can. The price they are asking is worth every penny. This is a real SIG produced rifle, not some half baked after market hack job. Good luck in finding a real 55X Swiss lower. If you do, get ready to cough up. You will still have a 556 half breed. I only wish I had more available cash as I would buy (Invest) in more than the one I could afford. They are selling fast, almost half of them have been sold in less than two weeks. That should tell you something. Act now or forever be kicking yourself.

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Originally posted by Chuckie1:
These 250 rifles are the only 551 type that SIG USA will produce. SIG USA can not produce this type of rifle ever again. For you 551 fan boys that have been sitting back waiting for SIG to produce a 551 type of rifle, It's not going to happen outside of this special project. This is as close to a real 551 pre ban that you can get without plunking down $10-11k. Lance Kilgore and crew of West Coast Armory are to be applauded for taking on a project of this scope. This is a one shot good deal that will never be repeated. Ever. There are only 250 rifles produced by this project. Get one while you can. The price they are asking is worth every penny. This is a real SIG produced rifle, not some half baked after market hack job. Good luck in finding a real 55X Swiss lower. If you do, get ready to cough up. You will still have a 556 half breed. I only wish I had more available cash as I would buy (Invest) in more than the one I could afford. They are selling fast, almost half of them have been sold in less than two weeks. That should tell you something. Act now or forever be kicking yourself.

Are you a tool or what? No on knows what Sig will or won't do including Sig. And to call the current conversions, 'some half baked aftermarket hack job' is a real slap in the face to the people who at least have diopter sights on theirs... Whatever reason you are posting this dribble consider this... you are a major league tool... ..!..

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Originally posted by sig228-gsr:
Are you a tool or what? No on knows what Sig will or won't do including Sig. And to call the current conversions, 'some half baked aftermarket hack job' is a real slap in the face to the people who at least have diopter sights on theirs... Whatever reason you are posting this dribble consider this... you are a major league tool... ..!..

We did seek expensive legal advice before signing a contract with Sig Sauer not to produce more of these rifles. Although I am learning nothing is guaranteed in the firearms business.

We have had several people call and order more guns after receiving the first rifle, they must have been happy with the rifles to have purchased another.

To date we have shipped 68 rifles, and sold close to that many in house.

Thanks for all the support!

Lance

Oh Chuckie, great words from a great operator. Watch out for the forum Ninja.

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Originally posted by jager1:
Oh Chuckie, great words from a great operator. Watch out for the forum Ninja.

I assume that is directed to me. So let me be the first to say that the post I quoted is from someone trying to SELL something by bashing some of the well respected people who have put countless hours into their 551/556 clone projects. If the person who I quoted has any relation to West Coast Armory than they can kiss my ass just like you can!! I am NOT speaking for Sigforum but bashing someones hard work to sell your product is more suited for AR15 DOT COM a place I'm sure all three of you will fit in just fine!!!

No, the post was directed to Chukie1 for bashing the people who make their own 551's. I have the upmost respect for the people who convert the lame duck 556, into the nicer 551, I myself would like to do that on one day. I am on your side. I thought I made it pretty clear in the post who I was bashing, as I started it with Chuckie the users name. So sir you may kiss my behind now. I also agree with you that his post belongs in ar15.com. But, I will have to formally reject your invitation to join that forum, this one is just fine.

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These 250 rifles are the only 551 type that SIG USA will produce. SIG USA can not produce this type of rifle ever again.

So... Does your crystal ball also predict the weather, global climate change and the collapse of western civilization too??? "ever" is a LONG time.

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For you 551 fan boys that have been sitting back waiting for SIG to produce a 551 type of rifle, It's not going to happen outside of this special project.

Don't bet on it... If this venture is as popular is it's purported to be, SIG Sauer could churn these things out for a LOT less than this package deal. They can easily purchase 55x lowers IN VOLUME at prices FAR LESS than collectors pay for them today.

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This is as close to a real 551 pre ban that you can get without plunking down $10-11k.

Our neighbors in Canada can have a REAL Swiss 551 for LESS than this package is selling for. AND you get 100% Swiss quality on the entire rifle, not just the lower. On top of that, you get some nice extras like Swiss Diopeter sights, and... Get This... a gas block that matches the rest of the rifle.

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Lance Kilgore and crew of West Coast Armory are to be applauded for taking on a project of this scope.

Indeed, I applaud anyone offering a new product for the U.S. 55x consumer. However, they ARE a middle-man and are taking a cut of the overall profit. Nothing wrong with that, but it IS an extra expense you are paying that could be eliminated by SIG Sauer IF they choose to at some point down the road.

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This is a one shot good deal that will never be repeated. Ever.

Again... "NEVER" is a LONG time and an absolute term that neither YOU or anyone else can really predict with any certainty approaching the finality of the term "NEVER". Are you a SIG Sauer employee? Are you a majority stock holder that is likely to own controlling shares beyond the term of their current boss Ron Cohen? If not, then all you got is a WAG (Wild A$$ Guess) as to what the future holds.

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There are only 250 rifles produced by this project. Get one while you can. The price they are asking is worth every penny.

Ya think so? For the premium you get what? a side folder that many contend is actually LESS functional and practical than the original M4 stock on the 556. Also, you get proprietary magazines that are more expensive and less common than current NATO magazines. Further, most would contend they are actually BEHIND the performance curve when compared to MagPul PMags. You also get a heavier carbine, for those who don't think the 556 is heavy enough as it is.

Here's what you DON'T get:

1) Swiss Diopeter Sights
2) Swiss Quality Control in the upper receiver components.
3) A factory certified test target proofed at 300m.
4) Handguards that don't shift and wiggle in the gas block.
5) A gas block that MATCHES THE RECEIVER color.
6) A welded on receiver rail that's guaranteed to be straight.
7) ILAFLON finished upper.

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This is a real SIG produced rifle, not some half baked after market hack job.

This one's my favorite... What exactly is your point??? Have you been following SIG Sauer USA's quality trend lately? The irony here is that many would actually PREFER a product that was finished by an aftermarket vendor who took a certain amount of pride in the products they produce.

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Good luck in finding a real 55X Swiss lower. If you do, get ready to cough up. You will still have a 556 half breed.

I don't know... JoshNC & KB don't seem to have much trouble finding them. Sure they cost, but that's what hobbies are for. BTW... This offering is also a half breed that sells for MORE than REAL 551s do in unrestricted markets.

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I only wish I had more available cash as I would buy (Invest) in more than the one I could afford.

If you think this is a good "investment" then you're silly as hell. Any number of good stocks or mutual funds will BEAT THE HELL out of most any firearm long term. Of the few investment grade firearms to be had... This AIN'T IT. Your money would be FAR better spent on three 6920's.

(Yes AR fans, I actually said that. )

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They are selling fast, almost half of them have been sold in less than two weeks. That should tell you something.

From my perspective, that only proves P.T Barnum's famous saying...

"There's one born every minute..."

Think about that Chuckie.

Here's a realistic scenario to contemplate...

SIG Sauer finally manages to pull their head out and makes a FACTORY 556 that accepts a 55x side folder, AR magazines, and includes either Aurora or KNS Diopeters & has captive push-pins. Then they finish off the package by tightening up their specs to the point that they're no longer a hit or miss rattle trap.

My guess is THAT combo would be far more popular in the US than the WCA offering.

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Originally posted by Paladine:
That is sorta old news for this site.

Well its NEW news to me

45R,

Thanks for the information. I knew about the 551's but not the green 551's. I want a green one. Got to love the green and gray.

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The price they are asking is worth every penny. This is a real SIG produced rifle, not some half baked after market hack job. Good luck in finding a real 55X Swiss lower. If you do, get ready to cough up. You will still have a 556 half breed.

You sir are coughing up as well for a 556 half breed. There is no physical difference between your so called "hack job" and the West Coast gun - Swiss lower, US upper. If the ability to insert push pins is exclusive to Sig as a company you may have a point, however it takes little mechanical know-how to install a US upper to the Swiss lower.

I can also assure you that color of your lower is not the same as your upper. Unless they were finished together it is nearly impossible to have them match due to variables as slight as humidity in the air...I urge you to prove me wrong and I will gladly eat my words.

Does this matter? - NO. Most REAL 551 uppers and lowers don't match for the very same reason. The bottom line is that West Coast has done a spectacular job providing a product that before them took much more effort to accomplish - those who have done the conversions before and those who buy them from WCA should embrace each other in the brotherhood to make what we could never have rather than pissing on each others backs over who's is better. Its funny how Johny come lately is so versed in the superiority of the product he personally "coughed up" for, while the die hards who have pioneered the process are now half breed hack jobs.... can't we all just get along?

BTW Lance, nice job. It took a lot of balls to do what you have done, and if you had come along a year ago I would be all over your product.

Ok guys got my gun. I will start a new thread.

I think we will see many more 551's from SIG. Right now they know that the 250 or however many units will sell like wildfire. They will get their $3000 plus for each one because the people that have always wanted one will buy one. They could be cranking these things out left and right and will probably do so in a few months for a lot less money.

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Originally posted by kaschi:
I think we will see many more 551's from SIG. Right now they know that the 250 or however many units will sell like wildfire. They will get their $3000 plus for each one because the people that have always wanted one will buy one. They could be cranking these things out left and right and will probably do so in a few months for a lot less money.

I don't think so. What you see is what you get. Sig has not imported a Swiss part since 12/06. Trust me, this is the last you'll see of a deal like this.

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Originally posted by jager1:
No, the post was directed to Chukie1 for bashing the people who make their own 551's. I have the upmost respect for the people who convert the lame duck 556, into the nicer 551, I myself would like to do that on one day. I am on your side. I thought I made it pretty clear in the post who I was bashing, as I started it with Chuckie the users name. So sir you may kiss my behind now. I also agree with you that his post belongs in ar15.com. But, I will have to formally reject your invitation to join that forum, this one is just fine.

I'm very sorry I jumped all over you and I apologies. Remind me to buy you a beer if our paths ever cross.

For that price I could buy a Sig 556, Colt 6920 and probably still have money left over for a dedicated 22lr AR15 upper and ammo.

I just dont see why that gun can be worth that price tag. Are they really that much more fun to shoot or is it just that they are so rare?

*edit* I am not trying to piss anyone off, I just never understood why the Sig 551 has always commanded such an expensive price tag. Is it really that much better than the competition?