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The standard style served millions of GI’s well for nearly half a century and continues to do so. Not sure why you’D need to use anything different- I do understand there are some issues if you run a suppressor but since I never have not sure of the nuances there

So you are running a 1975 era AR15 then? It served well in Vietnam and all. Wink
 
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If you are using the irons or a red dot then the regular ol CH is just fine.

Once you plop a magnified optic on top, a CH with some more area to grab onto is kinda handy.

The Radian Raptor does this nicely for me.
 
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Do the old CHs work? Sure.

But so does the old carry handle integral sight, and the 90 safety lever, and the milspec trigger, and the fixed stock, and the 20rd straight magazine... Wink
 
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Thousands of soldiers made do with muzzle loading smoothbore muskets as well. Wink

One thing that’s generally different about humans as compared with other animals is that we’re always looking for ways to do things better. IMO, something like the Raptor is far superior in terms of speed and reliability of operation to the GI charging handle.




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The standard style served millions of GI’s well for nearly half a century and continues to do so. Not sure why you’D need to use anything different- I do understand there are some issues if you run a suppressor but since I never have not sure of the nuances there



There's not much to grab ahold of on a standard CH.

Especially if your optic has a large ocular lens which may get in the way. Or if you are wearing gloves. Or if it is raining and stuff is slippery.


Oversized controls have their place. The proliferation of larger control surface charging handles isn't just for kicks.
 
Posts: 13229 | Location: The Edge of the Ozarks | Registered: December 04, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I swapped almost all of my standard CHs out with the Viltor/BCM CHs with either the medium or large latch, depending on the size of the optic I was running. I’ve since tried the Raptor and the Geissele CHs for more recent builds, and for future builds, I’ll probably use those, but don’t see much reason currently to go back and swap out all the Viltor/BCM handles. That may change when I get my suppressors out of jail and see how they are for cutting down on gas leakage. Didn’t really need the ambi feature, but I do like being able to pull back the CH with one hand on the left side.

I kept the original style CHs just on a couple of retro ARs and a Colt M4A1 SOCOM clone.
 
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I used to like the original BCMs but eventually some of them would pinch my finger when charging.

Moved on to the Geissele SCH and sold the BCMs. Really dig the Geissele SCH, I use them on all my scoped ARs and the smaller latched ACH version on rifles with RDS.

Granted the most I ever paid for the ones I have was $65 and I bought more this weekend for $50. For MSRP of $89.99 it's a bridge too far.

For those not familiar with the difference

Thanks for the picture, it pushed me over the edge...especially with the Black Friday price.

I'd been using the BCM and been looking at the Raptor, but a Geissele SCH for $50 was just too good to pass up




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Originally posted by captain127:
The standard style served millions of GI’s well for nearly half a century and continues to do so. Not sure why you’D need to use anything different- I do understand there are some issues if you run a suppressor but since I never have not sure of the nuances there


So you are running a 1975 era AR15 then? It served well in Vietnam and all. Wink


[crotchety-old-fart-who-pitches-60-bitches-per-second-but-only-shoots-1-round-per-visit-to-the-range.]

While we're at it, why did they move the charging handle to the back of the upper receiver in the first place?

The old charging handle was fine inside the carry handle where Stoner first put it. Totally ambidextrous right were it used to be. No need for gears or fancy latches and springs. Also, no hole in the back for gas to squirt you right in the eye.

Jeez.

You kids are always figuring out ways to screw things up while spending money on fancy do-dads and do-nothings to fix problems that didn't exist in the first place.

[/crotchety-old-fart-who-pitches-60-bitches-per-second-but-only-shoots-1-round-per-visit-to-the-range.]
 
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I use BCM medium.



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Well, duh. How else are you going to guarantee every range session results in a sub-MOA group?
 
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BCM Medium on mine. I like to operate the charging handle with my left hand, and the Medium gives me enough area to reliably grip without being big enough to snag on stuff.


Same here.
 
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I really like the raptor i have on my SBR. I think on my next I'll likely go with the Geissele. Just because the extra lip may help when suppressed.

But I usually only notice the gas shooting indoors.




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I’m using a POF Ambi tomahawk. Seems sturdy. It’s a bit weird in that it feels better charging with the right hand vs left. Only slightly. Works for me being I’m a lefty. Killed my desire for side charging uppers.


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I have BCM Mediums on both of my AR's.
 
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Radian Arms Raptors for me, also. I've got a couple of BCM ambi charging handles, and they're ok. I just prefer the feel of the Raptor.
 
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Been using the LMT with tac latch for many years. For me, it's the perfect balance of size and ergonomics. Not ambi however, and can be difficult to find.
 
Posts: 26 | Location: dallas,tx | Registered: February 20, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have a couple of BCM ambi charging handles, but gave the Geissele SCH a try and I like it a lot better, so I will be going with the Geissele SCH on future builds.



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You already ordered the best


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I’m a big fan of the Radian Raptors. I had the original and have recently switched to the Raptor SD. The SD goes a great job of redirecting the gases when shooting suppressed.
 
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Different strokes I guess,but the standard charging handle did me just fine for combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and not saying fancy handles didn’t happen, but even in the hands of the high speed guys we at times worked with I only ever saw standard charging handles.
 
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