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I just have to say Good Luck Nikon User.

Also, that pointing discussion is fascinating to a non long range shooter like me. Glad you discovered the problem!


Thanks Jaybird86. I felt silly when I was faced with the reality of the situation. I thought I could skip pointing but when all else is eliminated, reality sets in. The thing of it is, I feel a little foolish talking about that lest some people just think it braggadocious of me to talk about seeing a 3/8 MOA difference at 1000 yards with such a small adjustment. It's just the way things are.
 
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One of these days I'm going to have to take a chrono and some pointed rounds with me to a match. Then I can sort it out in the practice range.

The big problem is I don't have local, regular access to anything over 840 yards, so figuring this stuff out isn't that easy. I sure would like to, though, because free bc is free bc.


The difference won't show up on the chrono unless you have it downrange. But if your goal is to get a solid MV, then by all means, chrono away.

It will be quite difficult to detect anything inside of say, 300 yards. But at 300+ you "should" be able to detect something. You might set up two targets, side by side and then fire one non-pointed round on the right target, then a pointed round on the left target, and then back to the right with a non-pointed and do on.

After 5 or 10 rounds of each, you should be able to see some kind of trend.
 
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Good luck Nikon!

I've worked at the old Nortel campus about a mile from there and didn't know that range even existed.


Thanks.

That's too funny. That range has been here for multiple decades. I used to shoot there in the early 80s.

BTW, I also did a stint at Northern Telecom in the mid to late 80s, but in North Carolina. That was before they changed their name to Nortel.
 
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Thanks for all the support here.

CQB60: Yes, it's a nice museum and it's located in Gatineau, QC. I hope to have the chance to visit it, again.

hrcjon: It's not as difficult as one would expect, especially with target rifles. From the Canadian side of things, you need to declare your rifle that is with you at customs and you get a form that describes the rifle and you pay some money for that license. The ammo that you bring in must be the one for your rifle, and you're allowed up to 5000 rounds. Once you have that form, you can travel around in Canada.

The FCWC management has stated you must present that completed form when you check in as a competitor.

Going back out, you need to return the form to the Canadian customs. I have to check what it takes to exit and return in to USA with a rifle. I will post all that as we go along.
First, I wish you the best in your shooting championship.

Second, you need to read the next couple of paragraphs beyond the allowed up to 5000 rounds without a permit. I learned this in 2009 when I drove from Texas to Alaska with 4990 rounds of ammo (my movers would move my firearms but not my ammo). I got a little surprise at the Canadian border when I learned that each adult in the vehicle got 200 rounds tax free, but I had to pay taxes for 4590 rounds of ammo for the "priviledge" of driving thru Canada for 4 days. Fortunately, I had an spreadsheet with me (it took a lot of selling to get down to 4990 rounds of ammo) and they let you chose the most expensive ammo to consider tax free. However, I had to haggle over the value, got lots of "do you really pay that little for ammo in Texas?", and it cost me an hour at the border.

In 2014, I moved to Canada, started the proccess to obtain a Canadian Permit & Acquisition License, and looooong 10 months later was the proud possessor of a PAL. The 5000 rounds total / 200 per adult tax free was still the case when I took the PAL class and test.

EDIT: Just looked it up and you get 1,500 rounds tax/duty free for a competition. It's 200 rounds for hunting or driving to Alaska.



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One of these days I'm going to have to take a chrono and some pointed rounds with me to a match. Then I can sort it out in the practice range.

The big problem is I don't have local, regular access to anything over 840 yards, so figuring this stuff out isn't that easy. I sure would like to, though, because free bc is free bc.


The difference won't show up on the chrono unless you have it downrange. But if your goal is to get a solid MV, then by all means, chrono away.

It will be quite difficult to detect anything inside of say, 300 yards. But at 300+ you "should" be able to detect something. You might set up two targets, side by side and then fire one non-pointed round on the right target, then a pointed round on the left target, and then back to the right with a non-pointed and do on.

After 5 or 10 rounds of each, you should be able to see some kind of trend.


The chrono is because I don't chrono now. I use the Litz custom drag curves, and then enter observed dope and let it calculate velocity and drop charts for me.

If I don't have the correct bc, I'll need the correct velocity. Wink




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One of these days I'm going to have to take a chrono and some pointed rounds with me to a match. Then I can sort it out in the practice range.

The big problem is I don't have local, regular access to anything over 840 yards, so figuring this stuff out isn't that easy. I sure would like to, though, because free bc is free bc.


The difference won't show up on the chrono unless you have it downrange. But if your goal is to get a solid MV, then by all means, chrono away.

It will be quite difficult to detect anything inside of say, 300 yards. But at 300+ you "should" be able to detect something. You might set up two targets, side by side and then fire one non-pointed round on the right target, then a pointed round on the left target, and then back to the right with a non-pointed and do on.

After 5 or 10 rounds of each, you should be able to see some kind of trend.


The chrono is because I don't chrono now. I use the Litz custom drag curves, and then enter observed dope and let it calculate velocity and drop charts for me.

If I don't have the correct bc, I'll need the correct velocity. Wink


I totally understand, especially in light of your needs. We just use LabRadars and Magnetoscopes. We only need to account for known distances at various venues, something we can plot ahead of time and the fine tune on site.

The difficulty in this event is that the distances are in meters 700, 800 and 900. That does not match up exactly with our 800, 900 and 1000 yard come-ups and in ICFRA "Palma" format, only two convertible sighters per match.
 
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First, I wish you the best in your shooting championship.

Second, you need to read the next couple of paragraphs beyond the allowed up to 5000 rounds without a permit. I learned this in 2009 when I drove from Texas to Alaska with 4990 rounds of ammo (my movers would move my firearms but not my ammo). I got a little surprise at the Canadian border when I learned that each adult in the vehicle got 200 rounds tax free, but I had to pay taxes for 4590 rounds of ammo for the "priviledge" of driving thru Canada for 4 days. Fortunately, I had an spreadsheet with me (it took a lot of selling to get down to 4990 rounds of ammo) and they let you chose the most expensive ammo to consider tax free. However, I had to haggle over the value, got lots of "do you really pay that little for ammo in Texas?", and it cost me an hour at the border.

In 2014, I moved to Canada, started the proccess to obtain a Canadian Permit & Acquisition License, and looooong 10 months later was the proud possessor of a PAL. The 5000 rounds total / 200 per adult tax free was still the case when I took the PAL class and test.

EDIT: Just looked it up and you get 1,500 rounds tax/duty free for a competition. It's 200 rounds for hunting or driving to Alaska.


I received all my paperwork from DCRA, invitation and so forth. I think I have everything set.

So, if you moved to Canada in 2014, did you not update your location? Where in Canada are you now?
 
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I received all my paperwork from DCRA, invitation and so forth. I think I have everything set.

So, if you moved to Canada in 2014, did you not update your location? Where in Canada are you now?
My location is correct as I moved to Texas in '16. I'm in oil & gas and have lived in most if the oil patches in North America.



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I received all my paperwork from DCRA, invitation and so forth. I think I have everything set.

So, if you moved to Canada in 2014, did you not update your location? Where in Canada are you now?
My location is correct as I moved to Texas in '16. I'm in oil & gas and have lived in most if the oil patches in North America.


Excellent. My guess is you were in Alberta. But it's just a guess. I'm just north of Houston myself.
 
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Is there a web site where we can all follow the trials and tribulations of the team?

Good Luck,

RMD




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Is there a web site where we can all follow the trials and tribulations of the team?

Good Luck,

RMD

LOL. No, not really. We are just a team formed with members of the same club.

The event we are going to is found here: www.2017fcwc.ca
 
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Is there a web site where we can all follow the trials and tribulations of the team?

Good Luck,

RMD

LOL. No, not really. We are just a team formed with members of the same club.

The event we are going to is found here: www.2017fcwc.ca


Thanks. Will follow. Shoot straight !

RMD




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