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Originally posted by smschulz:
I shake my head and wonder some times.

As do I. If you don't understand by now why it is wrong for a dealer to go in and buy out Walmart, then mark it up 300 percent to take advantage of a set of circumstances and sell it to the same people that could have went over to Walmart, there is no sense in me trying to explain it to you further.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
I shake my head and wonder some times.

As do I. If you don't understand by now why it is wrong for a dealer to go in and buy out Walmart, then mark it up 300 percent to take advantage of a set of circumstances and sell it to the same people that could have went over to Walmart, there is no sense in me trying to explain it to you further.

Why is it WRONG?
You don't HAVE to buy ANYTHING you don't want to.
What if WM didn't sell ammo at all?
WM is not the only game in town.
I have bought out WM on occasion for a model or two (although I don't resell it) so what is the difference?
It is pretty rediculous now days anyway ~ the market adjusts and there is plenty of ammo available anyway~ WM and ELSEWHERE.

You keep saying "you don't have to buy it" as if your response is stuck on democrat.

Some people actually need ammo, and on occasion, you must procure it other than in bulk. I actually prefer to buy my ammo at Walmart cause I don't have to listen to all the gunstore BS.

Gun store owners that stooped to this level did so out of greed, plain and simple. They lost the mother Teresa "doing it to supply our customers" when they marked it up several hundred percent.

I can spend my money where I please, and it won't be with the local dealers that cleaned out Walmart to create a monopoly.

I guess it has become the norm to take advantage of people as long as we can claim "capitalism", and make a healthy profit.

But you are right, it is moot now that supply has caught back up. But, this is America, and when one of the owners of the shop sees me in town and tells me how bad things are with sales, I get to giggle a little and think that their is karma in this world.

Taking advantage of the circumstances to make more profit than normal is gouging.

My local gun store bought Walmart ammo and marked it up by a few dollars. We literally have TWO places to buy ammo in 50 miles. The gun shop and Walmart.

I also recognized the Fiocchi 9mm 130grain boxes from Ammoman. I bought them from the website for half of what the shop was charging. That's a 100% profit margin for the ONLY store that had ammo for shooters.

They were selling Brown Bear and unjacketed LRN no-name rounds for $18-25 for 50 rounds. It looked like they brought in their own cheap reloads and tried selling them for $20 after tax.

That is FLAT OUT GOUGING. Their rifle ammo and shotgun ammo did not move in price (save .223/5.56, 7.62's), but their common pistol calibers more than doubled. I highly doubt the suppliers were charging the website companies half as much as the local store. I understand local markups for salaries, brick and motor expenses, etc. but that's not right.


Technically if you beat the hoarders for the cheap stuff at Walmart there were two sources, but the store with the "better" supply was charging twice as much or more for a lesser product.

But, as said, it doesn't matter now since I can walk into Wally and buy WWB and Federal target ammo by the armload. But I will NOT go back to the local gun shop. Not when I bought a .22 from them and they told me they can't throw in a $5 brick of .22 ammo since "supplies are tight" with a FULL FUCKING SHELF of .22 ammo. I know it's only $5, but the owner flat out telling me he'd rather have my $5 than have me back to buy more from him speaks volumes.

Greedy fucking pigs.

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Originally posted by Rustpot:
Taking advantage of the circumstances to make more profit than normal is gouging.

It is?
What is 'normal'?
Congrats on being appointed the new business czar.

If you make a 'normal' profit it is OK but if you make a little more than that it is greed.

Doesn't a business transaction require someone to actually make a decision (choice) to buy something? When they don't buy the seller will usually make an adjustment to their pricing to facilitate the transaction (sell). Markets adjust and nothing wrong with making a profit (or loss) morally.

We are not talking about withholding medicine, food, fuel or other things in a time of crisis ~ this is a simple non-necessity commodity and thats it.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Gun store owners that stooped to this level did so out of greed, plain and simple.

I guess it has become the norm to take advantage of people as long as we can claim "capitalism", and make a healthy profit.

This is laughable.

Guns store owners are simply sourcing products for their business.
Obama would agree with you that "capitalism" and making a profit is wrong.
Now it has become "greed" that makes a businessman strive to make a profit to feed his family ~ oh yes this is disgusting.

If I were a betting man, I would bet that smschulz is either a gun shop owner, or scalpers of other hot items.

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Originally posted by PPGMD:
If I were a betting man, I would bet that smschulz is either a gun shop owner, or scalpers of other hot items.

You would loose that bet. Just someone who believes in the free market, responsibility for one's own actions which includes our ability to choose to buy or not, and support for capitalism which makes our country great despite attacks of those so scholastically inclined.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
You would loose that bet. Just someone who believes in the free market, responsibility for one's own actions which includes our ability to choose to buy or not, and support for capitalism which makes our country great despite attacks of those so scholastically inclined.

The only person that doesn't understand free market is you.

Free Market, which in America we haven't had ever, means that the government doesn't intervene into the market. It says nothing about consumers, and businesses influencing the markets.

No one here is saying that the government should intervene. Instead we are saying, that we as a community that we shouldn't shop that stores that gouge, or support the scalpers on gun broker. And to encourage Wal-mart to enforce it's 6 box limit until this ammo crunch is over.

In fact the boycott is one of the essences of the free market, it's how the consumers as a group can put influence on the market.

If anyone is not scholastically inclined it's you.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Gun store owners that stooped to this level did so out of greed, plain and simple.

I guess it has become the norm to take advantage of people as long as we can claim "capitalism", and make a healthy profit.

This is laughable.

Guns store owners are simply sourcing products for their business.
Obama would agree with you that "capitalism" and making a profit is wrong.
Now it has become "greed" that makes a businessman strive to make a profit to feed his family ~ oh yes this is disgusting.

If you try hard enough, you can justify just about anything.

PPGMD, I agree with you about Gov't intervention aspect. My intent about freedom is in our choice to buy or not to buy. I also don't have a problem if WM has a limit, if you or others don't want to buy from someone that has bought their supply from WM. I also don't have a problem if a dealer does buys from WM or anywhere else for that matter and resells it. They are just sourcing product for their business. The only issue for the most part on commodity items is the price. Where someone purchases it (legitimately ~ not stolen) is irrelevant.

Bought ammo last week in WM. No stickers on the boxes. Shelves had a decent amount.

I told a friend about this. He just emailed me from a Wal-Mart, they have this sticker on many items other than ammo.

I bought 500 rounds of WW white box over the last two weeks, and none of it was marked.

All I can say is that I don't give a flying pig's ass about what the box looks like. As long as the deal for what's inside is good, that's all that matters. The boxes go in the trashcan anyway no?

I was on a business trip today and arrived to the town where I was speaking and was lucky enough to stop in the WalMart and FINALLY was able to buy some ammo.. They had WWB 115 grain 9MM and Federal 40S&W .

The clerk told me that last week there was almost a fist fight in the store when an employee of a local gun store was there with his wife and her sister and each were wiping out the entire inventory that just arrived. Evidently a guy recognized them and got pissed because they were taking everything they had so he got none.

everyone is entitled to make a living but I feel it's pretty shitty for a gun shop to go from WalMart to Walmart and buy up the inventory so they can re-sell it at a profit. My Local FFL has his own stock and seems to be able to find it without issue. He is 4 bucks a box higher on most everything but he ALWAYS will be higher that Wally World. My2cents

It's ABSOLUTELY not right for a local dealer to go into Wal-Mart and buy all of the stock just to stock their shelves and charge 300% markup.

However if a gun shop buys ammo from their distributor and chooses to mark it up 300% above everyone else's price that's fine.

In Austin, I have never been able to find .45 ammo at any of the Wal-Marts near me.

Smschulz after reading your posts, I think you're quite in the minority here. I pretty much disagree with everything you've said here.

I applaud them for doing it but don't think it will stop anyone from buying WM ammo from a second-hand source. Way too many people willing to buy the stuff at gun shows and online.